Water pump failure

[cmills]

As much as I want to like this truck, its becoming almost impossible. This truck has had more issues in such little miles (33,000) than any other vehicle I have had by far, it's just frustrating! This time, it was the water pump, while traveling down the interstate at around 12 in the morning (around 600 miles from home) the water pump shaft snaps off causing the truck to get up to 260 degrees and leaving us sitting on the interstate for an hour and a half.

 

[Wayne M.]

Outsourcing outsourcing outsourcing. It's a epidemic. My nephew has a '13 Lincoln SUV. He tells me his brakes are hard as a rock. Like someone is pushing back against him. Hmmm sounds like a bad booster- but when does that ever happen?
Off to warranty, and yup. The booster is bad. I think the Mexican stuff was ok because it was the same material as US made, just assembled there. This Chinese stuff is 100% furrin. And it's showing! Highest yield for the company.

 

[Regcabguy]

I'd gladly pay 25% more for parts originating here. Less shipping and tariffs would help offset the additional labor I'd hope.

 

[gsbrockman]

As much as I want to like this truck, its becoming almost impossible. This truck has had more issues in such little miles (33,000) than any other vehicle I have had by far, it's just frustrating! This time, it was the water pump, while traveling down the interstate at around 12 in the morning (around 600 miles from home) the water pump shaft snaps off causing the truck to get up to 260 degrees and leaving us sitting on the interstate for an hour and a half.

Be prepared for more frustration.....mine went out at 94k miles (still covered under warranty). I was pulling a 37' gooseneck horse trailer....fortunately empty. I left the trailer alongside the interstate in Huntsville, AL and had the truck towed to Landers-McLarty CDJR in Huntsville. They did not stock a water pump. I then had to scurry around and source a Murray Temperature Control unit from a Pep Boys locally. Since this was on a Saturday, around 12:45 central time, it was either that or incur lodging & meals until Tuesday. I paid for everything out of pocket, sought reimbursement through FCA, and finally, 118 days later, got my money back.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2...-failure-94-914-miles-my-2014-ram-3500-a.html

 

[Cummins12V98]

ALL water pumps for the 5.9 and 6.7's are made in China. If someone knows of one actually Made in USA please let me know.

 

[gsbrockman]

ALL water pumps for the 5.9 and 6.7's are made in China. If someone knows of one actually Made in USA please let me know.

A couple of guys that turn wrenches / work in shops have commented on the Murray Temperature Control units as being of good quality.

I'm at about 58,400 miles on my CP6222.....and all is well <knocking on wood>.

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

As much as I want to like this truck, its becoming almost impossible. This truck has had more issues in such little miles (33,000) than any other vehicle I have had by far, it's just frustrating!

I couldn't agree more. My '14 is the most unreliable vehicle I've ever owned. In its 60K miles, it's been to the dealer 12 times. Three of those on a tow truck. It's sad that I can't rely on a two year old truck to go more than a couple hundred miles from home.

 

[Wayne M.]

ALL water pumps for the 5.9 and 6.7's are made in China. If someone knows of one actually Made in USA please let me know.

I can't dig up the link now, but I started a thread on my own made in USA water pump experience (very good). It has a link to the item in rock auto.

 

[Newsa]

ALL water pumps for the 5.9 and 6.7's are made in China. If someone knows of one actually Made in USA please let me know.

Is this a 10+ year old weakness of the Cummins Ram?

 

[Cummins12V98]

The pump on my 98 12V my Son has has around 400K on it. I would assume it's US Made.

My 11 went 65K with no issues then I traded it in on this one with 22 now.

I just looked on Ebay, there are cummins and Mopar pumps that are US Made for around $275. OUCH!!!

 

[Missouri Mule]

On my Mule I get 100,000 to 150,000 miles on water pumps. Guess they were made in the USA.

 

[Wayne M.]

Well- I'm going to have to retract my post. I went on Rock and looked up a '13 Ram CTD water pump. I got 2 results, Airtex and ACDelco pro series. I can't determine where these were made. I'm assuming it's not the same pump as earlier B engines, and obviously a step backward in durability.

 

[jhenderson]

Is this a 10+ year old weakness of the Cummins Ram?

Its a Cummins pump made in a Cummins factory. Do you really think it makes a difference whether it's in China, India, Brazil, or any of their other dozen of their factories worldwide? If you do you're kidding yourself. Of the thousands of trucks sold, add up how many you've read about having pump trouble. Now factor in the idea that bad news travels around the world while good news is still putting its boots on. Are the numbers out of line for failure? I fell prey to the doomsayers with my 3rd gen. I carried a spare pump behind the seat for over 300,000 miles. All that happened was I lost valuable storage.

 

[Newsa]

Its a Cummins pump made in a Cummins factory. Do you really think it makes a difference whether it's in China, India, Brazil, or any of their other dozen of their factories worldwide? If you do you're kidding yourself. Of the thousands of trucks sold, add up how many you've read about having pump trouble. Now factor in the idea that bad news travels around the world while good news is still putting its boots on. Are the numbers out of line for failure? I fell prey to the doomsayers with my 3rd gen. I carried a spare pump behind the seat for over 300,000 miles. All that happened was I lost valuable storage.

94,000 miles sounds like very good water pump life. Maybe we are spoiled by the 500,000+ mile engines? I would expect more than 50k, though. A water pump should last as long as a timing belt on an average car in my opinion

 

[Bob4x4]

Its a Cummins pump made in a Cummins factory. Do you really think it makes a difference whether it's in China, India, Brazil, or any of their other dozen of their factories worldwide? If you do you're kidding yourself. Of the thousands of trucks sold, add up how many you've read about having pump trouble. Now factor in the idea that bad news travels around the world while good news is still putting its boots on. Are the numbers out of line for failure? I fell prey to the doomsayers with my 3rd gen. I carried a spare pump behind the seat for over 300,000 miles. All that happened was I lost valuable storage.

Nice that you can stay positive,Since I work on CTDs everyday I see trends.One of those trends has been reduced water pump life.This trend is not just on the Cummins but across all models and from talking to many in the industry on other brands we are not the only ones..
It's always about the money,sometimes the bean counters win,sometimes the engineers win

 

[Newsa]

Nice that you can stay positive,Since I work on CTDs everyday I see trends.One of those trends has been reduced water pump life.This trend is not just on the Cummins but across all models and from talking to many in the industry on other brands we are not the only ones..
It's always about the money,sometimes the bean counters win,sometimes the engineers win

Bean counters must not have to worry about costs of warranty work. And whether the customer is inconvenienced?

 

[Bob4x4]

Bean counters must not have to worry about costs of warranty work. And whether the customer is inconvenienced?

I am sure they add all that data into the formula.If you look at the market share Ram enjoys they must be doing a fair job at it.Like I tell my customers even if the failure rate is extremely low,you won't be happy if it is yours that failed

 

[gsbrockman]

Nice that you can stay positive,Since I work on CTDs everyday I see trends.One of those trends has been reduced water pump life.This trend is not just on the Cummins but across all models and from talking to many in the industry on other brands we are not the only ones..
It's always about the money,sometimes the bean counters win,sometimes the engineers win

What trends, if any, did you see beginning with the 2007.5 6.7L's and the plastic impellers???

 

[Wayne M.]

This pump has a plastic impeller?
The Mack MP7 engine (Volvo design) has a plastic impeller. They spin off the shaft all the time. The old E7 (Real) Mack had a all cast iron real pump that never failed.
The bean counters will prevail. Stay tuned for a FPT engine before long.

 

[gsbrockman]

This pump has a plastic impeller?
The Mack MP7 engine (Volvo design) has a plastic impeller. They spin off the shaft all the time. The old E7 (Real) Mack had a all cast iron real pump that never failed.
The bean counters will prevail. Stay tuned for a FPT engine before long.

I've never heard any mention of the plastic impeller actually being the source of the failure on a CTD application.....it's always been the seal or the bearings.
My old pump:
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Slop :
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And the new water pump that was delivered by Pep Boys with three of the seven blades broken off:
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