What Level Kit and E Rated 35" or 315's tires?

[jraker]

Need to buy new tires again and I was wondering what level kit to buy. I was looking at the KORE kit for 470. I was also wondering what tires you guys are getting good service out of. Currently running HanKook 295/70R17's RT10's. I have 43k miles on them. I was looking at going back to BFG AT, General or Bridgestone Duellers. Open to suggestions.

 

[Regcabguy]

Carli's your suspension guy. The Kore springs are the stiffest out there.

The only 315 70-17 E-rated tires I'm aware of are Firestone/Bridgestone's.

 

[EDankievitch]

Carli stuff is built right. But if your not looking to spend alot a simple Super lift leveling kit works well. I think Super lift is the kit offered by MOPAR I had really good luck with the Bridgestone 315-70-17's on my 05.

 

[goodguys75]

suspension maxx is great also... i did the 2 inch front for my truck..... great service

 

[JerryNelson]

I have the kore leveling kit with progressive springs. has a great ride and I will be going back to the BFG' 315-70-17 (D) they have a 3 ply side wall. I like them better then the 315-70-17 (E) Bridgestone Duellers. I have on now.

 

[MuddFlapp]

The only 315 70-17 E-rated tires I'm aware of are Firestone/Bridgestone's.

If you want a stiff side wall try the Nitto E rated tires. They're rated for 3970# ea. The only problem is that they ride rough, you can feel every bump in the road,

 

[BDaugherty]

See my tire poll for tire opinions: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?240240-Help-me-choose-new-tires

Note that while leveling kits look great, they are not necessary for 35" tires. The 35's will rub the lower control arm when you turn sharp with or without the leveling kit. I have noted that most 315's are load range "D" while most 35's are "E" when looking at 17" sizes. I have no idea why. I have pretty much made up my mind to run 35" Toyo MTs. In the 35" size they have the highest load capacity, a good reputation for tread life, and my cost is less than most of the comparable tires.
I will be running my 35's with no lift.

 

[Bob4x4]

The leveling kit reduces tire clearance at the rear of the fender opening so unless you also replace the arms you will be going backwards

 

[Wayne M.]

What wheels u guys running with the 315's? How about the h2 wheels? Can this work on stock non lifted truck?

 

[Bob4x4]

If I remember correctly the h2s have a little less back spacing than the oems

 

[Kry226]

Correct, Bob. They stick out of the wheel wells a little bit.

I ran the H2s with the BFG 315s for a long time, which cured the rub on the control arms I had with KORE (actually pre-KORE T-Rex at the time) and OEM wheels. Not sure how they would work non-lifted.

The H2s work OK, but you must bore the center hole out to fit our hubs (easy to do with a router and flush cut bit). One thing I didn't like was that the H2 wheels always stuck to the rotors. Sometimes, I had to bang and bang on the tire with a mallet to get them to pop off. If you use them, ensure you use some anti-seize on the mounting surfaces.

Now I just run the OEM wheels and 285/75/17Es, which works perfectly.

 

[Wayne M.]

Correct, Bob. They stick out of the wheel wells a little bit.

I ran the H2s with the BFG 315s for a long time, which cured the rub on the control arms I had with KORE (actually pre-KORE T-Rex at the time) and OEM wheels. Not sure how they would work non-lifted.

The H2s work OK, but you must bore the center hole out to fit our hubs (easy to do with a router and flush cut bit). One thing I didn't like was that the H2 wheels always stuck to the rotors. Sometimes, I had to bang and bang on the tire with a mallet to get them to pop off. If you use them, ensure you use some anti-seize on the mounting surfaces.

Now I just run the OEM wheels and 285/75/17Es, which works perfectly.

WOW I didn't know that, thought it was a total bolt on... That's a deal breaker... The stock upfit was option II, the 285's. that seems the solution. Thanks. I remember the first time I rotated the wheels, they stuck. There's lots of antiseize since then.

 

[JJPage]

See my tire poll for tire opinions: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?240240-Help-me-choose-new-tires
I have pretty much made up my mind to run 35" Toyo MTs. In the 35" size, a good reputation for tread life

Really not trying to be controversial, only what my experience has been. I was not happy with the wear properties of the Toyo AT's I had(325/60/18), at the wear bars by 18k, and my 1 year old MT's with 7k on them do not appear to be performing much better. I rotate at 5k intervals, so that is not the issue, and I am not a hard driver, in fact mostly my truck has been baby'd.

Toyo will not get any more business from me, unless/until they start offering their HT in a 35/12. 50/18 or comparable metric size , then I would consider... I believe I may look at Bridgestone Duellers, I see they are available in 325/65/18, and less aggressive tread, closer to what I prefer.

Afterthought: the Toyo's do balance and ride nice and quiet, but too expensive for their lifespan.

 

[Regcabguy]

The new Toyo II's are guaranteed to get 50K. Apparently,they've reformulated the rubber compound or modified the tread pattern to gain longevity.

My MT's have 13/32" at 18K. I've rotated and rebalanced them at 5K. That's with the camper on all the time. They last a long time.

I got 36k out of my Toyo AT's.

 

[RMacneil]

I have heard nothing but great things about Carli Suspension, but I gotta say I LOVE my Lorenz Industries Bilstein 2" leveling kit. I am also running some NITTO Terra Grappler AT's 305/70R17 load range E tires and I am 100% pleased with them. They are about 34" tall. They smoothed my ride out incredibly and are really quiet. Everyone has their own idea of perfection but what I'm currently running is mine. I did a write-up on installing the lift and tires on the TDR here:

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?228354-Lorenz-Bilstein-Leveling-Kit-w-extended-links

I highly recommend it.

 

[Bob4x4]

The 325/65 is too wide to get even wear

 

[Kry226]

Really not trying to be controversial, only what my experience has been. I was not happy with the wear properties of the Toyo AT's I had(325/60/18), at the wear bars by 18k, and my 1 year old MT's with 7k on them do not appear to be performing much better. I rotate at 5k intervals, so that is not the issue, and I am not a hard driver, in fact mostly my truck has been baby'd.

Toyo will not get any more business from me, unless/until they start offering their HT in a 35/12. 50/18 or comparable metric size , then I would consider... I believe I may look at Bridgestone Duellers, I see they are available in 325/65/18, and less aggressive tread, closer to what I prefer.

Afterthought: the Toyo's do balance and ride nice and quiet, but too expensive for their lifespan.

Not to be controversial myself, but I honestly take other's reports about tire wear with a grain of salt. There are just too many variables to consider to be objective with other's reports. No one knows how the other person drives, what the roads are like where they live, if they tow heavy, what wheels the tires are mounted on, is the suspension in tune, etc. And if that stuff is reported, everyone's definitions are different. "Driven hard" to one, may not equal "driven hard" to another. Myself, I am about to hit 50k on my Nitto TG's and I probably could get another 5k out of them. I rotate about every 10k, don't baby them at all, and about 12k of that mileage is towing our RV at about 15k gross. I even had some irregular wear due to bad hubs and ball joints.

See what I mean? Completely opposite of your report, but by all accounts, Toyo and Nitto are in cahoots.

 

[RMacneil]

You're right, NITTO and TOYO are the same company. NITTO is a subdivision of TOYO, established in 1999. I believe they are suppose to be the more "performance oriented" side of TOYO.
I love my Terra Grapplers. Mine, in particular, were made in JAPAN. Some of them are made in the USA—it's just luck of the draw what ones you get when you buy them. Their plant is in Georgia.

To be honest, I'm a hardcore BFG guy but they just don't make tires in the size and load rating I wanted. BFG's are, obviously, made in America.

And l totally agree with Kry226— tire wear is totally dependent on numerous factors.

 

[JJPage]

I know Toyo and Nitto are affiliated, and most folks I've spoken to with the Nitto's, appear to get better wear mileage than the folks with the Toyo's. With my AT's, their use was mostly towing my 5vr, my MT's have towed very little, and since new, my truck has less than 100 miles on dirt roads, all hiway use.



I agree, lots of different factors to consider, especially driving habits. I drove semi professionally OTR for almost 16yrs, 5yrs for my Dad(International Transport), and 11yrs for Pacific Northwest Bell, almost always on Toyos, and have continued to use them on all my personal rigs. Until recently I was always satisfied with them.



You do not personally know me, but anyone who does, knows my equipment is in top shape and well maintained. I have not had good luck with the AT's, I could have run them another 10/15k(maybe) before they were completely bald. What I didn't divulge earlier, was that Les Schwab credited me, and replaced with a new set of 285/75/18 AT's, they were all out of round, went through almost 12 tires before they found four that were acceptable to them, still shook my truck and my belly:-laf, so that I was not satisfied. They(Les Schwab) then pretty much gave me the MT's. The MT's may or may not fare better, too early to judge, but it is not looking hopeful.



I like the Toyo's ride and for a heavy lug tire they are very quiet, and they look nice, here's a couple pics of both AT/MT's.

 

[Kry226]

Wow. I think that's the worst Toyo report I've ever read here on the forums.

Most guys are usually pretty happy with theirs, with the occasional dude who's comparing apples to oranges and not happy with his oranges, or the 21 year old kid with daddy's Cummins and wondering why his tires won't stand up to his stomping on the gas and slamming on the brakes from stop light to stop light.

Good looking rig.

I will be in the market for new duds probably after the first of the year. Been looking mighty closely at the new Toyo A/T. They look a lot like the Nitto TGs now. Go figure.