What mods we can hide from dealerships?

[9 Lives]

Curious as to what fueling/timing boxes I can put on my 06 CTD that when in need to go to a dealership that they will not be able to detect that I have modified my truck? Something I guess I can unplug and dosent leave a trace on the computer. Is there even a such thing as that?

 

[Doughboy21kd]

Smarty..... :-laf :-laf ... But they not out yet... . Oo. Oo. ... I am waiting

 

[bmoeller]

What a question. People like you make it hard for others, who don't lie, to get work done under warranty. Whether a mod caused a problem for them or not. Even if a truck was stock and only had gauges.



Wanna play, you got to pay.



I am my own warranty station.

 

[jersey diesel]

why hide?

just go into the dealer and ask them if the mod you want to install will hurt truck or warranty. Let them install it and sign the work order stating it won't void warranty. worked for me. I like to be upfront. Steve

 

[DPKetchum]

Was reading a post earlier in the week I think on another site about the ECM and foot prints etc. A fueling box manufacture chimed in with comments like Quad,TST,BullyDog and I'm sure some other BOXES don't leave a footprint. DOWNLOADERS DO. Of course velcro tape to hold said boxes are also a clue.

 

[donnier]

A couple of dealers Iv talked to have said they wont do any aftermarket installs unless from DC because of warrenty issues.

 

[DieselFiend]

it's not lying if they don't ask and thats what we're trying to do here. If you want to preach you should preach to a choir. Start another thread on the subject and get together with people who feel the same way you do.

The guy didn't ask if someone teach him ethics in bombing. he asked if there was an undectable mod he could do. You obviously didn't answer his question. GEEEZZZZ!

What a question. People like you make it hard for others, who don't lie, to get work done under warranty. Whether a mod caused a problem for them or not. Even if a truck was stock and only had gauges.



Wanna play, you got to pay.



I am my own warranty station.

 

[MMead]

"It's not lying if they don't ask" ?????



Wow.



How is this any different than any other form of theft? People are taking something they did not pay for. If you take parts and labor from Dodge after a modification causes a problem and you do not pay for those parts and labor then you are stealing. It doesn't matter if they ask or don't ask, everyone here knows deep down that this is theft.



It's my hard earned money that goes to pay for damaged modified engines. Thanks, and good luck hiding those modifications.

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

"It's not lying if they don't ask" ?????



Wow.



How is this any different than any other form of theft? People are taking something they did not pay for. If you take parts and labor from Dodge after a modification causes a problem and you do not pay for those parts and labor then you are stealing. It doesn't matter if they ask or don't ask, everyone here knows deep down that this is theft.



It's my hard earned money that goes to pay for damaged modified engines. Thanks, and good luck hiding those modifications.

Everyone quit with the sob stories of morality, I think its clear and been documented quite often I might add on here that DC uses the mod excuse to void peoples warranty just because they did a mod on the truck with no proof that mod caused the issue, I think all of us would just like to be delt with fairly, this is becoming less of a practice with DC. the man just asked which mods can't be seen by the dealer, he didn't ask for a lesson on right or wrong, maybe he is just curious and wants to know for himself. who knows but the fact remains its not our job to teach the guy right from wrong

 

[Big P]

Everyone quit with the sob stories of morality, I think its clear and been documented quite often I might add on here that DC uses the mod excuse to void peoples warranty just because they did a mod on the truck with no proof that mod caused the issue, I think all of us would just like to be delt with fairly, this is becoming less of a practice with DC. the man just asked which mods can't be seen by the dealer, he didn't ask for a lesson on right or wrong, maybe he is just curious and wants to know for himself. who knows but the fact remains its not our job to teach the guy right from wrong

Well said!

 

[Highfinance97]

not true, i saw a regional manager use the drb with a special code and reveal every type of fueling the truck has ever seen, and how long it was in use. the average " diesel tech" may not see it but someone paid to void warranty's will. just a heads up

was a smarty used??? and was it on a 3rd gen????





Michael

 

[Bob Wagner]

wade has no first hand knowledge on what smarty can or can not do.

 

[Highfinance97]

yes that is correct 04' or 05' warranty was voided with a smarty! he had it back to stock and everything, dodge engineers are not stupid, i just want that code so i can see all that stuff and alter it.

Marco wrote this in the "Smarty CR is ready thread. ive recomended it to many people because of this. not that i dont beleive you im just saying

2) No trace is left in the ECM!

I herby CLAIM that SmartyCR is the FIRST AND ONLY downloader that does not erase any of the stored data in the ECM. Smarty does NOT leave any footprints. Smarty does NOT set ANY codes once the ECM is set back to stock

 

[Bob Wagner]

customers name please. I am sure we would have heard something.



right now its all hearsay

 

[pro99]

not true, i saw a regional manager use the drb with a special code and reveal every type of fueling the truck has ever seen, and how long it was in use. the average " diesel tech" may not see it but someone paid to void warranty's will. just a heads up

No code to type into the DRB it is located in a certain spot in the DRB that tells you run time, idle time, total time at what the motor was run at, tells duty % of where the pedal spends most of its time, How much load the motor had and that duty %. I know this with the software I am a tech at a DLR and deal with DC and Cummins engineers on these concerns.

 

[daytripper63]

Actually YES there are some special engineer codes that can get to that information

 

[DPKetchum]

Quad(owner of QUAD fueling boxes) answered this question on another forum. He stated that fueling boxes CANNOT be detected and gave a LONG reason why. About how they DON"T alter the ECM just the signal coming to certain sensors down the line from the ECM in a nut shell. Once you read how it all works you can understand. DOWNLOADERS ALTER the ECM. Fueling boxes do not. Signal coming from it are the same as stock. Its just that certain sensor parameters are changed after the fact. A down loader changes the signal at the source.

 

[robmints]

I guess if you want to split a hair it may not be theft in the truest sense, because you most likely won't get arrested for attempting to get warranty service you are not intitled to. It does cost the other owners that are also covered by the same warranty carrier though. Cummins Cowboy, if you bomb, you void your warranty, not part of it. Is it our job to teach him how to get service on a warranty that he would no longer have? Should we teach him how to rollback? Should we teach him how to switch VINs?



I'm not sure I follow some of the logic used by the people that think that this semi-fraud or semi-theft is OK. I'm new here, and wanted to be enlightened as to how to get something for nothing, but when I asked all I got was a joke, name call or two, and a suggestion to ignore my question. If someone really wants to point out how hiding bombs to "steal" warranty service is not stealing, please speak up so we will all know.

 

[Diesel Power]

Quad(owner of QUAD fueling boxes) answered this question on another forum. He stated that fueling boxes CANNOT be detected and gave a LONG reason why. About how they DON"T alter the ECM just the signal coming to certain sensors down the line from the ECM in a nut shell. Once you read how it all works you can understand. DOWNLOADERS ALTER the ECM. Fueling boxes do not. Signal coming from it are the same as stock. Its just that certain sensor parameters are changed after the fact. A down loader changes the signal at the source.

thats correct but the ecm stores max and min values when a plugin box is used, only a few can see that, a typical down loader will leave an obvious foot print. the smarty has over come that problem according to marco and bob. the voided waranty i was talking about in other posts was loaded with several other performance mods, so the smarty may not have had anything to do with it.

 

[Luken]

the voided waranty i was talking about in other posts was loaded with several other performance mods, so the smarty may not have had anything to do with it.

You didn't make it sound that way at first. You made is sound like it was the Smartys fault.