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C4gan

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So what is the deal with the cost of diesel? I live in Medina, Ohio and the cheapest that i can find is $3. 27/gal. This is unbelievable!!!! With the price of gas at $2. 31/gal we should be paying, at the most, $2. 00/gal..... how is it that there is less refining in producing diesel and the price per barrel keeps droping but yet diesel has not droped! Is it because diesel and fuel oil are close to the same product? Knowing that natural gas is the main ingredient for heating your home and if the price of diesel drops then the price of fuel oil drops then everyone will be converting to fuel oil to heat there homes? I am really having a hard time digesting paying almost a dollar more per gallon over gas.

Is there no stopping this madness? I read in todays paper that Exxon's third quarter profits were 10 billion dollars... ..... :--) Hum? And why are we paying so much? Any thoughts??????
 
Real simple, because they (oil companies) can get away with it. They have the cards. There simply is no other explanation with their recent published gross profits. I repeat, there is no other explanation. Period! The public is getting royally screwed.
 
hey neighbor!!! i am here in berea and the stations in strongsville are even higher than that. saw 3. 43 at speedway (82 & prospect) today.



i have been emailing the oil companies about the high price of diesel. i have only received one response from speedway. sunoco and bp did not respond.



as abranz said, they do it because they can.



when is the last time you heard an 18 wheeler driver complain????? they don't, probably because they are too busy working. it's also hard to get union and non-union truckers to get together on anything. besides that, they can just add a fuel surcharge fee to their freight. as long as they can do that, its not hurting them in the wallet.



we all pay for the fuel surcharge in the final cost of products we buy.



so that leaves us where we are. we have to buy fuel for our daily drivers and have to absorb the additional cost.



i am going to keep sending emails to the oil companies. if enough of us do this, it might help. sure can't hurt.



jim
 
maybe there is some relief coming. fuel was $2. 89 here in toledo today. here speedway is always $. 20 more than everyone else. but a local sunoco station had it for 2. 89. of course that is after i filled up at 2. 99 at flying j wednesday night. hopefully it keeps coming down.



mark
 
I go between here and youngstown and the pricing is similar everywhere in-between. I am truly surprised that the 18 wheelers have not created a big stink over this raping!

All that it would take is a big shutdown like they did in the mid 70's and i think this would straighten right out! But like you say, all the trucking companies are doing is throwing on a surcharge to make up the added costs. I deal with trucking companies everyday from steel deliveries to gas deliveries to sending out product on our own truck. Funny thing is, we as a company have not increased our shipping costs at this point. It is real funny how everyone is sooooooo quick to jump on the wagon instead of fighting for what they believe in. That is the downfall to this country. everyone is so hung up on making a quick buck that they forget what it is doing to the base structure of this great nation that we live in!

Jim, nice to see someone on tdr that lives in the area. We'll have to keep in touch and compare fuel costs in the areas... I would drive out that way to save some cash on fuel.....

You know, as much as i hate to say it... ..... maybe just maybe, the gov. should step in and put some reg's on fuel costs like they do with electricity... . I dont know... !
 
C4gan said:
I am truly surprised that the 18 wheelers have not created a big stink over this raping!



Don't be. It is because of the fuel surcharge. The truckers aren't paying $3. 50. The surcharge that is aded to the freight bill covers it.



Let's say that the truckers won't pay over $2. 50. The surcharge is the extra $1. 00/gal cost, assuming the fuel cost $3. 50.
 
Maybe we ought to be sending this info the News Guys at NBC, ABC, CBS and other and asking them WHY. Along with keep writting our poor underpaid worthless government officals :mad:
 
Come on guys, the oil companies had damage from the hurricanes and need some disaster relief. You ought not to feel this way about paying a little extra to help them out. Didn't you fellas hear that the poor oil companys ONLY made 27 BILLION dollars last quarter? :--)



I read a report at:



http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp



that said the oil companies EXPORTED the refined diesel and heating oil reserves in the summer and that now with the refineries down they can't make enough. They said the reason that gasoline is so much cheaper is that they are IMPORTING refined gasoline. :confused:



Here's what they are saying now:



Diesel Prices Remain Elevated

Even as retail gasoline prices have fallen below pre-hurricane levels, retail diesel fuel prices remain much higher. Whereas retail diesel prices averaged 2 cents per gallon below gasoline on August 29, before the impacts of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita were felt at the pump, as of October 24, they averaged more than 55 cents per gallon higher across the United States (see graph below). What has changed between the two markets that might help explain the divergence in retail prices?



While the price of crude oil certainly has an impact on the price of refined products, the actual cost of refining crude oil into various products has little to do with price differentials across products. When comparing the retail price of one particular product to another, it is important to look at the supply/demand situation for both products. In the case of gasoline, over the last four weeks, a record volume of imports arrived in three of those weeks, while gasoline production climbed to near pre-hurricane levels, despite significant refinery capacity remaining shut down. This large surge in supply is coming at a time (late September and early October) when gasoline demand usually drops, with few people taking vacations during this time of year. When supplies rise as demand falls, prices should fall, as they have with gasoline.



However, the supply/demand balance is much different for diesel fuel. Diesel fuel and heating oil are both included in a category labeled distillate fuel in our weekly surveys. These products are very similar, with the notable exception that diesel fuel for highway use has less sulfur in it. To the extent that diesel fuel can be used as a substitute for heating oil, the two products often find their prices moving in similar directions. Since heating oil prices are generally highest when demand for the product peaks, diesel prices also often peak as cold weather occurs, as owners of diesel-fuel-powered vehicles will tell you. As can be seen from EIA’s data, demand for distillate fuel often increases from September to October. This is typically a result of slightly colder weather in October, but it also relates to increased use of diesel fuel in the agriculture sector during harvest time. While demand for distillate fuel seasonally increases over this period, supplies have grown substantially less than those of gasoline. While distillate fuel production has increased some as a result of most refineries returning to normal operating levels following the hurricanes, it has not grown by nearly as much as gasoline production. We have not seen record imports for distillate fuel either. In fact, up until last week (the week ending October 21), distillate fuel imports were possibly even lower than they typically would be, as strong global demand for diesel may have limited available supplies from other countries. As a result, retail prices for both diesel fuel and heating oil have not dropped like those for gasoline. Nevertheless, with distillate fuel imports last week reaching their highest level since January 2005, and with most of the increase in refinery production seen in distillate fuel rather than gasoline, there may be signs that the distillate fuel supply situation is improving. But with the first bout of much colder-than-normal weather hitting the East Coast this week (where most of the heating oil use occurs), demand is likely to increase as well. How fast supply and demand for distillate fuel rise will be the largest determinant for the future path of diesel fuel prices.



For the latest information on how oil infrastructure is being impacted in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, see EIA’s Daily Report and more detailed reports from the Office of Electricity Delivery & Energy Reliability.



Residential Heating Oil Price Dips While Propane Price Inches Up

Residential heating oil prices decreased slightly for the period ending October 24, 2005. The average residential heating oil price fell 2. 7 cents from last week to reach 262. 3 cents per gallon, an increase of 56. 3 cents from this time last year. Wholesale heating oil prices decreased 7. 6 cents to reach 202. 6 cents per gallon, an increase of 38. 7 cents compared to the same period last year.



The average residential propane price increased 0. 2 cent, to 195. 1 cents per gallon. This was an increase of 29. 4 cents over the 165. 7 cents per gallon average for this same time last year. Wholesale propane prices decreased 3. 0 cents per gallon, from 122. 4 cents to 119. 4 cents per gallon. This was an increase of 13. 0 cents from the October 25, 2004 price of 106. 4 cents per gallon.



U. S. Average Retail Gasoline Price Drops 12 Cents

The U. S. average retail price for regular gasoline decreased by 12. 2 cents to 260. 3 cents per gallon, falling for the third week in a row. This week’s price is 57. 1 cents higher than this time last year. Prices were down throughout the country, with the Midwest seeing the largest regional decrease of 14. 3 cents to 245. 1 cents per gallon, the lowest regional price in the country. East Coast prices fell by 13. 1 cents to 263. 5 cents per gallon. The West Coast averaged 279. 7 cents per gallon, the highest regional average price in the country, after falling 7. 5 cents; California prices also lost 7. 5 cents to 282. 7 cents per gallon.



Retail diesel fuel prices rose 0. 9 cent to reach 315. 7 cents per gallon, the highest price on record. Prices were mixed throughout the country, with the Midwest seeing the largest regional increase of 9. 1 cents to 323. 5 cents per gallon, the highest regional average price in the country. The average retail diesel price also rose in the Rocky Mountain region, increasing 5. 4 cents to average 323. 2 cents per gallon. East Coast prices were down 6. 5 cents to 305. 1 cents per gallon, the lowest regional price in the nation. California prices averaged 315. 2 cents per gallon, a decrease of 5. 8 cents.



Make since to ya'll?



Scott
 
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Here's what REALLY gets my goat. Fuel prices:



Nashville: $2. 839

Springfield(20 miles north of Nashville): $2. 739

Dickson(40 miles west of Nashville): $2. 429 :eek:



What's the DEAL? HOW can there be that much difference in diesel in the same basic area? These prices are an average and all the stations in these towns are very close in price. You know it all comes out of the same pipe! WHAT'S THE DEAL?



Just this morning on the news they were talking about fuel prices are down to pre-Katrina levels and the idiots they interviewed were saying how great it is! In my opinion, pre Katrina prices were too high. If something is not done, I'm scared to think about what's going to happen to our country. Diesel fuel is the blood of the USA. These high fuel prices are going to trickle down to everyone eventually. Then what are they going to say? :confused:



Scott
 
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