Where can I buy the Amalgated fuel additive and other questions.

[Chipstien]

I use fuel additives for one reason only... ..... lubrication. Does the Amalgated additives add the lubricity that the other well known additive do. If so, where can I buy it locally. What amounts are users adding to a tankful of diesel? Thanks for the info.

 

[GDouglas]

Check out the article in TDR issue 36. It compares all other additives to the Alamagated. None of the others came close for cetane inprovement. When I called to order, I asked about if their additive had enough lubricity to handle the next time the sulfur goes down in our fuel. I was assured that there would be plenty of lubicity even if they take all the sulfur out. I don't have a contact # handy, but you can do a general internet search or search in the TDR archives and find out.

 

[Riflesmith]

Here is the e-mail from Amalgamated that was sent to me concerning ordering:



We are making the TDR #21665-15 winterized premium diesel fuel additiveavailable in 5-gallon cans at a cost of $50. 00 for the additive plus $40. 00 for shipping and handling (we originally charged $35. 00, but some of the shipping was more). If you want this additive, please send us acheck for $90. 00 for each 5-gallon can you want and we will make shipment to you within 3 to 5 business days from our receipt of your check. Make certain you give us a street address for delivery and your telephone number so UPS can find you.



The additive treats at 1:375 (1 gallon per each 375 gallons of diesel

fuel or 1 pint per each 47 gallons of fuel).



Send your check to: AMALGAMATED, INC. , P. O. Box 8977, Fort Wayne, Indiana

46898



Best regards,



Gary Pipenger

President



I have not tried any of the additive yet. I use Lucas UCL during warm weather months. Hope this helps.

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by GDouglas

Check out the article in TDR issue 36. It compares all other additives to the Alamagated. (NOT ALL)

Check out Rotella DFA, it does everything Alamagated does and costs less. You can get a case at Sam's club for $33. My truck gets around 17 mpg (over all) and a case is good for 22K miles of driving. I add it to every tank.



No one can say Alamagated is better than any of the name brands. The chart and findings stated in the TDR issue 36 was based on Alamagated data. Now they wouldn't make stuff up would they? Just to sell their own product. If they were telling the truth, then why did they not compare Rotella DFA? Maybe because it is better?? Problem is none of us will ever know, so for my money I will stick with a big name brand like Rotella for less money. Might be more information than you need but I don't understand the sheep mentality when it comes to Alamagated DFA

 

[Riflesmith]

I don't see any sign of a "sheep mentality" regarding the Amalgamated additive. It is simply part of the never-ending search for new/better products that continually takes place on this site.

 

[John]

First of all, thank you Riflesmith for providing the ordering data for Amalgamated, Inc.



Pit Bull,



Well, in a quest to find the bigger better deal, I AM going to order some Amalgamated DFA. So far I have tried (at EVERY fillup I might add), Red Line 85+ (Diesel Fuel Catalyst), Amsoil Diesel Fuel Concentrate and what I'm currently using, Stanadyne Performance Formula. I was going to try NEO DFA however, the cost per treatment as well as procurement difficulties have cooled my heels on this idea. BTW, I'm still on my original '98. 5 VP44 (heavily BOMBed with 80k mi. )!

:--)





However, I have a TDR (and NW BOMBer) friend that constantly monitors his mileage and is also VERY critical of the operation nuances of his HO powered (BOMBed) CTD. He has reported on this BB (and separately to me) that the Amalgamated DFA has surpassed ANYTHING he has tried! He has experienced smoother engine operation, increased fuel economy and reduced smoke. And given that he is rather frugal in nature, he doesn't waste money on crap that doesn't work. To that end, I feel confident in using anything he has recommended with such enthusiasm.



PS: Thanks Vaughn



Sooo, I guess I'll feel good being another meager ram lamb (just for the flock of it).



How's that work? I'm also deeply entrenched as a member of the wolf pack!

 

[1tuffram]

John

What is your opinion between the diesel fuel additives you have used so far? Mainly interested in how the Amsoil stacks-up to the others.

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by Riflesmith

I don't see any sign of a "sheep mentality" regarding the Amalgamated additive. It is simply part of the never-ending search for new/better products that continually takes place on this site.

I understand now, it's a better product because the company that sells it says so in "their" comparison chart and some guys that have used it "think" it works better Hey it's your money and you can spend it anyway you want.



All I was trying to say is there is no indepent information I have seen that would justify spending 3 to 4 times as much money for this product, it's all based on Amalgamated information and "hey I like it" information.

 

[John]

1tuffram, I think all three of them work pretty well! All of them are very highly rated and were chosen primarily for their exceptional lubricity traits.



They kept my '98. 5 VP44 alive (that in iteslf is a miracle) especially since I was driving on a failed lift pump before I knew any better. Each was chosen as I was just interested in trying out (at length) the "best" of what was out there although, there is one other top notch DFA I have not tried (that I would like to)... the stuff Kevin Dinwiddie represents... the name escapes me right now.



Anyway, maybe after the Amalgamated.



BTW, the Amsoil DFA I was using had the blue label (I believe I didn't list the name of the stuff exactly right in my previous post).



One thing I noticed last time I was in Cummins NW (Renton, WA)...



they now sell Red Line 85+ right along side the Cummins DFA.



The Red Line DFA has an extremely loyal following!



Me? Even though I'm an "Amsoil Dealer" I've been an extremely long time proponent of synthetic products (OVER twenty years!). It wasn't until several short years ago that I even tried Amsoil. However, I have tried a great many of their products (since), and for the most part, liked them but...



I'm ALWAYS on the lookout for the BBD (bigger, better deal)! So, with that, I use a mixture a different brands of synthetics in my vehicles.



You know what they say...



sworn to fun, loyal to none!

 

[John]

Pit Bull, I have no problem believing the Rotella product is a decent product but, I would personally be skeptical...



I mean, I consider their oil to be just ok... kinda like a Timex watch. However, if that's good enough for your purposes then by all means, indulge yourself.



I guess what I'm saying is this, I pretty much figured Rotella DFA would be in the same league as the Power Service counterpart and therefore doesn't enthuse me to any great extent. Oh well, to each his (or her) own.

 

[Riflesmith]

Pit Bull,

I don't see what you are getting worked up about. Where did I say it was better than Rotella or any other product? I stated clearly in my post that I haven't even used any of it yet. I was simply responding to a request for how-to-order information.

 

[Pit Bull]

Sorry guys I don't mean to sound like I am all worked up over this. But after rereading my posts it does sound that way. I did not mean it to sound that way. Guess I need to lighten up

 

[John]

you're OK Pit Bull!

Are we all happy now?

 

[K_Arts]

I've sent e-mails back and forth to Gary, and I do have to say. . he is one hecka of a nice guy. Boy is he willing to go out of his way to make sure the customer is happy.



I received my 5 gallon can of Amalgamated last week. Can't wait to try it out and see how good it is.



Kev

 

[Roger rodbolt]

I've tried at least half dozen different fuel additives and the Amalgamated additive is the only one that made a very noticeable difference in my trucks and equipment. I purchased 10 gallons while a Dave's Diesels Thunder in June and had another 50 gallons delivered to me at Scheids Extravaganza in August. My $. 02 on the Shell DFA, after I purchased two cases at Sam's is that it did the same a Lucas, Power Service, etc... ..... couldn't really tell if it was in the tank or not. Stanadyne is the only other additive that I thought made a difference on MY trucks, but Stanadyne didn't compare to the TDR formula Amalgamated. Has anyone else actually compare Amalgamated to DFA? Amalgamated market their products to bulk diesel suppliers-- to enhance or create Premium Diesel fuel. To the best of my knowledge they have only sold small quanities(5 and 55 gallons) to TDR members and do not intend to create a consumer container or market. Gary and his team have a labratory and test fuel for the state of Indiana and do other contract work. I visited their place in June and urge other members to drop by there if you pass through Indiana. Larry

 

[Devildog]

If anything I think I get alittle less MPG. I hope it's lubing the hell out of my injector pump.

 

[Doubleclutch]

John- it sounds like you have an identity problem... wolf/sheep/flock/pack... My only concern is storing and decanting the 5 gallons of rocket fuel. I talked to Kevin from Lubrication Engineers, who make the DCI+ additive that I use. No problem with compatibility, so I can "make" my expensive diesel fuel even more expensive , using the Amalgamated. What we REALLY need is to get our fuel treatment guys to add Amalgamated to their product. Guess that makes me one of the flock, because the Amalgamated guys were nice enough to send me some pretty informative material to swing me over to their side. How do you guys break down the 5 gallons? Greg

 

[M Barnett]

Is there anybody that would sell and ship a gallon to me to try out? Would be nice if Almagated would sell us a gallon for trial purposes.

Michael

 

[John]

I received my 5-gallon container of Amalgamated DFA last week but I'm still wondering what container I can use to have the correct amount ready to dump in my tank when I need it (I have a Transfer Flow 54 gal. replacement fuel tank and usually fillup adding 43-47 gallons, so the 1 pint per 47 gal. ratio works great for me). The Stanadyne PF worked out great because it was exactly 1/2 bottle per fillup... and I threw away my empty Amsoil (metal) containers which would have been excellent for this ( ... . hmmm, oh well)... so I guess my question is...



does anyone know if the Amalgamated DFA has to be stored in a metal container? Or, is plastic ok?



Just wondering, 'cause I was contemplating the purchase of several or more 16 oz. fuel bottles (used by hikers to carry extra stove and lantern fuel) to store the appropriate amount of DFA in my Ram.



TIA

 

[24V-DSL]

John

I don't know what source your're considering for your containers, but www.rei.com has some very trick aluminum fuel bottles with an o-ringed cap. However, the sizes are 11, 22 and 33 oz. The PN for the 22oz. is 402126.



I have one and can testify they don't leak. The Lexan containers I tried eventually leaked.