Where can I find LSD (not the illegal kind), but it probably will be soon.

[JDiepstra]

Does anyone know of a website where I could go to in order to find out what fuel stations sell LSD rather than ULSD? Flying J will tell you on their sites which stations sell ULSD and LSD. It would be nice to be able to check all stations on one site.

 

[MRaynor]

Around here, I have found that all of the Pilots still sell the LSD. Don't know of any web sites though.

 

[duckcarvr]

If i rember correctly [ at my age thats iffy ] all diesel had to be ulsd by 01/07/08 for on road use. Maybe someone else can confirm or debunk that. robert

 

[WKruger]

Well, any stations near Canada may still have LSD on-road.

 

[Buffalo]

Here in AZ, it seems that most, if not all, Truck Stops sell the LSD. Our local Flying J sells both. However, only one of their auto diesel pumps is dedicated to ULSD. All the others carry LSD.



On the other hand, most, if not all, regular neighborhood gas stations sell ULSD. I do not recall seeing any that sell LSD. However, I, very rarely, buy from regular gas stations.



I recently saw a pricing breakdown of LSD & ULSD & the LSD was quite a bit cheaper (6 to 9 cents). That may be why the truck stops are selling the LSD. Their pricing is much cheaper than regular gas stations, here.



About a week or two ago, the "J" was at $3. 01/9. It has since jumped to $3. 20/9 per gal.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Hammer]

If LSD is still found its only available for "off road" use only. By federal law any on-road diesel had to be ULSD by the date stated above. I have a friend who transports fuel for a living and when I asked him about this deal a while ago to settle a dispute with a local used Cummins dealership he informed me there are no companies even refining into LSD anymore. the problem arises when the places that sell the fuel do not remove the stickers and replace them with the proper ones,something they were not mandated to do when the switch occured the last time. So ULSD is all you should find at any station... ... Andy

 

[Buffalo]

Hammer,



I, respectfully, disagree with you. I recently spoke with the fuel delivery man at the Quick Trip truck stop, here in Phoenix, & asked him about the LSD/ULSD issue. He said that ALL the fuel they were dispensing was LSD & would remain that way til it was no longer available.



As I said in my previous post, The Flying J, here in Phoenix, sells both. And that is at the auto diesel pumps. Only one of four pump islands is dedicated to ULSD, also. Two weeks ago, I stopped at a new truck stop in western AZ & all they had was LSD.



Whenever I fill up my trucks, I always look at the color & smell the fuel before dispensing it into the truck. I've purchased ULSD & it has very little diesel odor, to it, in comparison to LSD. The ULSD seems more 'water-like' in coloration compared to the greenish/yellow tint to LSD. I agree that this is NOT a serious test but, it is what I have noticed.



In some regions of the country, CA. , for instance, ULSD is all that has been available, for a number of years, now. If you live in one of those regions, ULSD MAY be all that is available. However, here in AZ. , you can find both.



Until recently (last year), we were getting diesel fuel from CA & TX, here in AZ. At that time, CA, for some reason or other, decided not to sell us any more diesel fuel. So, I'm assuming, that all our fuel is now coming from TX.



I specifically choose to use LSD in my engines & when I have to put ULSD in, I mix to a 2% consistency with Soy-Based Biodiesel for the lubricity that may not be there in the ULSD.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[RAmy]

i can vouch for the availbility of lsd in minnesota also. i have found it at a few places, quik trip's for one. saves ya around 4-6 cents a gallon too.

 

[AH64ID]

LSD is NOT illegal for use, except in cali, it will be legal for use until 12/01/10... The thing with 01/01/07 was all engine made on or after that date HAD to be ULSD motors... .

Linky

From what I have found there are 9 western states that are 100% ULSD already, and too bad Idaho is one...

 

[Dieselnut59]

By 2010, ALL fuel will have to be ULSD, even the off-road (red) fuel. I set a customer up to run ULSD off-road B20 fuel for their forklifts they run inside their warehouse. They have a catalytic exhaust added (which will be required for Tier IV emission laws) and are Tier II and III compliant. Current off-road standards are at Tier III.

 

[MCummings]

When does Tier IV go into effect?



Merrick

 

[RAmy]

By 2010, ALL fuel will have to be ULSD, even the off-road (red) fuel. I set a customer up to run ULSD off-road B20 fuel for their forklifts they run inside their warehouse. They have a catalytic exhaust added (which will be required for Tier IV emission laws) and are Tier II and III compliant. Current off-road standards are at Tier III.

i see possible bad things happening to some older farm equipment.

 

[AH64ID]

I wonder if you could make a sulfur additive?

 

[Dieselnut59]

When does Tier IV go into effect?



Merrick

2010 is Tier IV for off-road equipment. I believe it will include the addition of "exhaust aftertreatment", as well as electronic engine controls. "Exhaust aftertreatment" requires ULSD.

The great thing about the emission requirements is, because of the cleaner exhaust, it allows me to sell diesel powered forklifts for use indoors. I have taken "Tier II" and "Tier III" engines, added "aftertreatment" (catalytic) exhaust and ULSD off road fuel and they are the cleanest running machines currently available. Propane has been the fuel of choice for forklifts running indoors for years. The new diesels are as clean as the new propane lifts (all fuels must meet the same requirements) and my addition of the "aftertreatment" made them even cleaner. With 14 diesel lifts running in this warehouse, it never stinks like it used to with the propane lifts. With their ULSD B20 off-road fuel, it smells like something is cooking.

 

[Dieselnut59]

i see possible bad things happening to some older farm equipment.

They said the same thing several years ago when off-road fuel sulfur content was lowered, then again when it was recently lowered to 500 ppm. The worst thing I have ever heard happening to older equipment is seals leaking on injector pumps. We had that happen on one of our service trucks (1992) but chances are, if the seal begins to leak with the use of ULSD, it would not have been long before it would have begun to leak anyway. If you are concerned about lubricity, use B20 ULSD off road fuel.