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Happy now JD, ... okay, let me explain myself more clearly. With a single disk clutch u can shift very fast and there is no grinding. But with the mitchel clutch when u go to shift it takes a second or two for the shifter to want to go into the next gear. The reason being is because of the dual disk clutch. I think Peter's clutch is a lot lighter and thays why it shifts faster with ease. The Mitchel clutch is just slow. U can still push it itto gear fast, but it will gring like crazy, but if u take your time shifting its perfect. Like i said, it takes the same time to syncro shift as is does to clutch shift if u don't want to gring gears. I'm not the only one to say this, . . like i said ask Piers if u think i'm full of it. Don't get me wrong it a great clutch, i love it, but if it could do things it can do and shift faster it would be the best of both worlds.
Some of you guys crack me up. I see post after post referring to POM POMS and CHEERLEADERS, and quite often fingers are pointed at us buy the same group of people. Yes, i believe we are liked on this and other diesel sites. Why, I believe because we have tried our best to keep up with the HP that you guys are making which is growing constantly. We are not perfect as I don't think any company is. We do however try our best and stand behind our product. If that is why people supports us, what is wrong with that. Each and every one of you seem to be happy with your truck and your clutch. and you say so. Should we call that POM POM or CHEERLEADER. Looks that way to me. That is what this site is for. Say what it is you like, be proud of it and offer the pros and cons (if any) about that product.
Gene, I would like to single you out here. Not because I think you are attacking me, but, your friend (Shawn Hodges) has our double disc clutch and you have seen him pull many times. You have even said to him how nice his truck comes out of the hole. I have heard some pretty harsh statements about our clutch from you but he seems to be doing very well. Granted he has not beat you yet this year
but he will be gunning for you on the up coming year
so why aren't you able to say this publicly.
That being said, our first design has been doing fine for a number of people with moderate to high hp. When we put it together we were hoping to resolve some of the issues that people complained about with dd clutches which for the most part were resolved. The only testing that we could do was the real world because we do not have a truck of our own. At least we were not afraid to do it. We knew if there were improvements to be made we could do so. And we have, at our own expense. This was not cheep as I am sure you can understand. Our first design offered a 3150 plate load which we still use but we also have a 4200 plate load available that we are putting with a 1/2" center plate. The clutch peddle effort is hard, this is why we opted not to put it out right off the bat. We wanted to see where we could go with the most pleasant feel out there. But we have to face it, some of you require more. There is good and bad with all the clutches that are available to you. I feel most of the problems with any of the clutches has to do with the driver and how the vehicle is set up. One person can get many pulls out of their clutch where as another with a similar setup would smoke it. Believe me, I get many calls from people that simply will not post for fear of getting roasted. They ask if ours will out perform the competition that they smoked. I ask them what clutch they were running and if it was one of the better brands then I know that what is coming out of their mouth is simply... ... bla bla bla. I will say to them, look, this is what ours offers and the rest is up to you, you need to learn how to come out of the hole better or work on your truck so you can.
Please, lets stop the bashing. Maybe some day you may need the very one that you were doing it to. Feel good about what you have, and at least support the others. It can only help you in the long run. It will get you better products and hopefully lower the prices.
Peter
Gene, I would like to single you out here. Not because I think you are attacking me, but, your friend (Shawn Hodges) has our double disc clutch and you have seen him pull many times. You have even said to him how nice his truck comes out of the hole. I have heard some pretty harsh statements about our clutch from you but he seems to be doing very well. Granted he has not beat you yet this year
but he will be gunning for you on the up coming year so why aren't you able to say this publicly. That being said, our first design has been doing fine for a number of people with moderate to high hp. When we put it together we were hoping to resolve some of the issues that people complained about with dd clutches which for the most part were resolved. The only testing that we could do was the real world because we do not have a truck of our own. At least we were not afraid to do it. We knew if there were improvements to be made we could do so. And we have, at our own expense. This was not cheep as I am sure you can understand. Our first design offered a 3150 plate load which we still use but we also have a 4200 plate load available that we are putting with a 1/2" center plate. The clutch peddle effort is hard, this is why we opted not to put it out right off the bat. We wanted to see where we could go with the most pleasant feel out there. But we have to face it, some of you require more. There is good and bad with all the clutches that are available to you. I feel most of the problems with any of the clutches has to do with the driver and how the vehicle is set up. One person can get many pulls out of their clutch where as another with a similar setup would smoke it. Believe me, I get many calls from people that simply will not post for fear of getting roasted. They ask if ours will out perform the competition that they smoked. I ask them what clutch they were running and if it was one of the better brands then I know that what is coming out of their mouth is simply... ... bla bla bla. I will say to them, look, this is what ours offers and the rest is up to you, you need to learn how to come out of the hole better or work on your truck so you can.
Please, lets stop the bashing. Maybe some day you may need the very one that you were doing it to. Feel good about what you have, and at least support the others. It can only help you in the long run. It will get you better products and hopefully lower the prices.
Peter
Isn't this just a "slight" exaggeration?
Mine only grinds in the 3rd to 4th shift, (and only when speed shifting) which it also did with the STOCK clutch, nothing to do with this clutch at all. A fraction of a second more I'll give you, any more then that and it's hot air.
Hell, a second or two between shifts, I'd be runnin' what Sledpuller runs on the 1/4, and he can't shift. LOL
Rob
I've had the unpleasant experience of riding in Rob's dump bed equipped truck on several occasions. I've never heard it grind once and he is definitely shifting as fast or faster than I can shift my 5 speed, since he always seems to be driving in a state of road rage. LOL Seriously though, it is every bit as smooth and fast as my single disk, and for some unknown reason, 2nd gear take offs with his "unstreatable" clutch are much smoother than mine. And he has 3. 54's with 315's versus my 4. 10's with 265's. I've also road with and drove Csevers truck and did not notice the infamous 3 seconds between shifts in his truck either. I would not hesitate buying this clutch based from my own experiences.
Dan
Dan
Nothing scary about my clutch. Lots of wins, lots of hooks, lots of miles.
I believe it is safe to say, that there is not another clutch that is holding more power at the track or used more on the street in high hp towing situations than the EEP dual disc.
If it wasn't for Kent using Haislys Comp, they still wouldn't have a win!!LOL No idea what they use on the street.
There is nothing perfect in this business, but EEPS clutch has come the closest (so far) in being the most streetable puller.
I was driving Steinels truck around last night while he was out of town, his wife is pretty cool.
24 valve HX_40, 6speed, with box, injectors.
Truck is a stone, but his EEP DD clutch worked fine. He tows all the time. Way too many gears.
I don't get any kick backs from EEP(or any other company for
that matter) as some would like to think, but when I see misinformation posted about this clutch, I will set the record straight.
I can tell what clutch company the guys who post the misinformation have talked to , everytime!! LOL Read em like a book.
I believe it is safe to say, that there is not another clutch that is holding more power at the track or used more on the street in high hp towing situations than the EEP dual disc.
If it wasn't for Kent using Haislys Comp, they still wouldn't have a win!!LOL No idea what they use on the street.
There is nothing perfect in this business, but EEPS clutch has come the closest (so far) in being the most streetable puller.
I was driving Steinels truck around last night while he was out of town, his wife is pretty cool.
24 valve HX_40, 6speed, with box, injectors.
Truck is a stone, but his EEP DD clutch worked fine. He tows all the time. Way too many gears.
I don't get any kick backs from EEP(or any other company for
that matter) as some would like to think, but when I see misinformation posted about this clutch, I will set the record straight.
I can tell what clutch company the guys who post the misinformation have talked to , everytime!! LOL Read em like a book.
I'm sorry Peter, I was so busy reading Rob Thomas's post, I completely missed yours this morning!!
Poor Shawn was extremely low on power/traction this year.
I believe his 4:10 gears are the only thing that saved that clutch.
It took me yelling at him clear until the last pull until he would use a proper gear and come out of the hole like he wanted to win, not like he was scared of his clutch slipping.
JR didn't go anywhere with his truck, can't blame that on the clutch though.
2 other PA trucks had to switch to another brand, their SBC DDs wouldn't hold at all. Didn't help them any, I still beat them.
Don't worry, I will make sure Shawn gets around me next year, I'm detuning for full time street use.
The difference between us telling about our exprience s with our clutches, or your pom pom brigade, is that we are defending them, from somebody spreading misinformation, who never owned one.
Your pom-pom brigade, shows up on any clutch thread, regardless if they own that model or not, have ever sled pulled or not, and scream"SBC WORKS FOR ME!!!Oo. "
Hey thats fine! It's just Pom -poms are not worth much when you are sitting in front of a stand full of people, not moving a sled!!!LOL
And we expected a winner from your description this spring, thats all.
Somebody build one that will hold, that is SFI approved, I'll buy it!!!!
Poor Shawn was extremely low on power/traction this year.
I believe his 4:10 gears are the only thing that saved that clutch.
It took me yelling at him clear until the last pull until he would use a proper gear and come out of the hole like he wanted to win, not like he was scared of his clutch slipping.
JR didn't go anywhere with his truck, can't blame that on the clutch though.
2 other PA trucks had to switch to another brand, their SBC DDs wouldn't hold at all. Didn't help them any, I still beat them.
Don't worry, I will make sure Shawn gets around me next year, I'm detuning for full time street use.
The difference between us telling about our exprience s with our clutches, or your pom pom brigade, is that we are defending them, from somebody spreading misinformation, who never owned one.
Your pom-pom brigade, shows up on any clutch thread, regardless if they own that model or not, have ever sled pulled or not, and scream"SBC WORKS FOR ME!!!Oo. "
Hey thats fine! It's just Pom -poms are not worth much when you are sitting in front of a stand full of people, not moving a sled!!!LOL
And we expected a winner from your description this spring, thats all.
Somebody build one that will hold, that is SFI approved, I'll buy it!!!!
Cast flywheel is bad enough, but one that is machined down is plain stupid. Look in a Dodge or Cummins manual, Gene... . the are rated at 3900rpm. What kind of r's do you turn? I guess because the almighty SledPuller runs one it's ok. Keep thinking that!
BTW-You're right... . it's safe to say that there's not another clutch used more on the street in high hp situations than the EEP dual disc.
BTW-You're right... . it's safe to say that there's not another clutch used more on the street in high hp situations than the EEP dual disc.
Chris,
I don't have an EEP clutch, yet. I just wish I did after driving two different trucks that have one. I've had the stock and two different SBC units in my '99 since I bought it new. The stock died a smelly charred death. My next clutch was a Con FE. It held my power fine, but became impossible to put in first or reverse while not moving after about a year. Peter gave me excellent customer service and gave me a Con OFE to replace it. This clutch took care of the problem, but started doing the same thing as the first after about a year also. I am still running it, but can't tow with my box on anymore as it is starting to smell foul. Granted none of these were DD clutches, but driving the EEP clutch on the street is no different than any of the other single disk clutches I've had. The only difference that I've seen is that you can sled pull with it and do 3rd gear hole shots and not worry about the clutch failing. The only negligible thing that people might not like about it is the stiffer clutch pedal, which I quickly became used to. I'm not knocking any clutch, I'm just stating my personal experiences for street ability comparisons. And as far as my clutch failures, I drive as one member described like "Driving Miss Daisy. " I had no issues with the stock one other than it could not hold my power after 3 years.
Dan
I don't have an EEP clutch, yet. I just wish I did after driving two different trucks that have one. I've had the stock and two different SBC units in my '99 since I bought it new. The stock died a smelly charred death. My next clutch was a Con FE. It held my power fine, but became impossible to put in first or reverse while not moving after about a year. Peter gave me excellent customer service and gave me a Con OFE to replace it. This clutch took care of the problem, but started doing the same thing as the first after about a year also. I am still running it, but can't tow with my box on anymore as it is starting to smell foul. Granted none of these were DD clutches, but driving the EEP clutch on the street is no different than any of the other single disk clutches I've had. The only difference that I've seen is that you can sled pull with it and do 3rd gear hole shots and not worry about the clutch failing. The only negligible thing that people might not like about it is the stiffer clutch pedal, which I quickly became used to. I'm not knocking any clutch, I'm just stating my personal experiences for street ability comparisons. And as far as my clutch failures, I drive as one member described like "Driving Miss Daisy. " I had no issues with the stock one other than it could not hold my power after 3 years.
Dan
Chris,
Sorry, they work.
Haislys have a lot out there, but nobody posts that I have seen.
A lot of TDR members who want to pull run EEPs, from either word of mouth, or got fed up with slipping clutches from elsewhere, and looked at who was winning alot of pulls. .
A lot of low power guys run the SBC or look alikes.
Joe, I let it out at 4200, it settles in about 3300.
Cummins does not rate them to explode at 3901, it is tested well beyond that.
I know its limits, and so does EEP. I am not concerned with it.
If I could sustain 4000-6000 rpm down the track, no way would I use it without a steel flywheel.
There has not been one flywheel failure yet with EEPs clutch. How many hooks are on them? Have to be Thousands.
If a cast flywheel makes you nervous, then BUY THE STEEL ONE!!!!They have both.
Sorry, they work.
Haislys have a lot out there, but nobody posts that I have seen.
A lot of TDR members who want to pull run EEPs, from either word of mouth, or got fed up with slipping clutches from elsewhere, and looked at who was winning alot of pulls. .
A lot of low power guys run the SBC or look alikes.
Joe, I let it out at 4200, it settles in about 3300.
Cummins does not rate them to explode at 3901, it is tested well beyond that.
I know its limits, and so does EEP. I am not concerned with it.
If I could sustain 4000-6000 rpm down the track, no way would I use it without a steel flywheel.
There has not been one flywheel failure yet with EEPs clutch. How many hooks are on them? Have to be Thousands.
If a cast flywheel makes you nervous, then BUY THE STEEL ONE!!!!They have both.
I don't know for sure but didn't dave mitchell suffer a flywheel failure at about 320 feet ait the scheid pull in terre haute IN in 02?
I seem to recall parts going everywhere But maybe it was something else.
My truck will only use steel for floaters and flywheel. I am a firm believer in the haisley clutch for several reasons, safety is the number one reason though. I can't remember the SFI number but I do know it is scatter safe to near 10,000 rpms. Billet is the only way to go.
I seem to recall parts going everywhere But maybe it was something else.
My truck will only use steel for floaters and flywheel. I am a firm believer in the haisley clutch for several reasons, safety is the number one reason though. I can't remember the SFI number but I do know it is scatter safe to near 10,000 rpms. Billet is the only way to go.
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No, it did not suffer a flywheel failure there, or anywhere else.
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