Who tows somewhat heavy with ridge grapplers or toyo AT2?

[SAP2018]

I installed a set of BFG KM3’s 2 months ago and when I towed my 9k travel trailer the squirm was almost scary. Felt like the tires induced sway.
A month later I swapped those out for a set of nitto ridge grapplers in 295/60r20 mounted on the factory 20’s, the ride improved but still pushes me around in VERY light wind and small cars passing by me. This never happened with the factory trans force tires.
I run 65psi front and 80psi cold when towing, they get up to 90psi per the tpms.
Are the toyo AT2 a better towing tire? What about the Falken AT3w? I need AT tire at the very least because of the terrain I travel.
My hitch is a blue ox sway pro, 12% tongue weight and my truck is a 2018 CCSB 4x4 with 32k on odometer. It’s properly aligned, has a 1” spacer as a leveling kit and I added firestone “red label” airbags that I run 12psi in when I tow.

 

[TFucili]

The Ridge Grapplers have more sidewall than the ATs, so should do better. I ran EXOs on my 2500 and it was stable as could be, even with the rear axle overloaded. I am running EXOs on my dually, and they do feel just a little squirmy, but some of that is the track width difference front to rear.

 

[AH64ID]

I’m running Cooper AT3 XLT’s. I’ve had them at their capacity with a RAW of 7200, while towing at a GCW of 24K. Very stable tires.

The only towing I’ve done with them has been a short, but heavy, toy hauler. 10K on the axles and likely 15% TW.

I steer clear of anything Toyo, which includes Nitto.

 

[Cummins12V98]

My Son runs the Ridge Grapplers in "F" load rating and he tows heavy at times. Gets over 50k and he loves them.

 

[lpennock]

Have the rig weighted. A 9k trailer is on 900 to 1200lb tongue weight. With the size tire you have you shouldn't need 80psi. Too much pressure will make the back bounce which will feel a bit like sway. What does the dirt pattern look like on the back tires?

 

[Cummins12V98]

I agree. Weigh axles loaded. Use weight/inflation chart for your tire n load rating. Add 5psi rear to chart and 10 to front=GOLDEN

 

[AEdelheit]

I tow with 37x13.5x17 Ridge Grapplers , my toy hauler is about 9k lbs, 800lbs tounge plus whatever I have in the bed, and they do well with no sway issues within reason. Run 50psi in the summer moths when towing regularly and 30psi in the winter months.

I suspect the rear track bar is your issue as the stock track bar is not a very good design and has a lot of movement in the rubber bushings that cause rear sway and steering input.

 

[Ozymandias]

Did you drive 500M each with the new tires - without the Trailer?
These Offroad Tires need this to build up a good safe road feel/contact.

 

[Cummins2014]

I installed a set of BFG KM3’s 2 months ago and when I towed my 9k travel trailer the squirm was almost scary. Felt like the tires induced sway.
A month later I swapped those out for a set of nitto ridge grapplers in 295/60r20 mounted on the factory 20’s, the ride improved but still pushes me around in VERY light wind and small cars passing by me. This never happened with the factory trans force tires.
I run 65psi front and 80psi cold when towing, they get up to 90psi per the tpms.
Are the toyo AT2 a better towing tire? What about the Falken AT3w? I need AT tire at the very least because of the terrain I travel.
My hitch is a blue ox sway pro, 12% tongue weight and my truck is a 2018 CCSB 4x4 with 32k on odometer. It’s properly aligned, has a 1” spacer as a leveling kit and I added firestone “red label” airbags that I run 12psi in when I tow.

2014 3500 Megacab , 60 front ,80 back towing 13,500, right at 3K pin weight. Toyo AT2's got about 20K on them, wearing good ,not great. I wouldn't know a better towing tire, they are great. The OE's were the Firestone Transforce HT's , they were also a great towing tire IMO, but wore out at 28K. My Stock tire size is the 275/70/18's
No squirm, and not pushed around by cars or big trucks, when being passed .

Wouldn't hesitate to run Toyo AT2's for towing, and they are VERY quiet. That was a must for me ,and rode in a couple trucks that had them to see for myself how quiet they were. Had heard they were quiet, but wanted to see for myself . Seeing that you were happy with how the Transforce were towing, you won't be unhappy with the Toyo AT2's

I also run Airlift aftermarket air bags with the remote control compressor system. I will run anywhere from 30-45 psi ,depending on the road .

 

[Cummins2014]

I’m running Cooper AT3 XLT’s. I’ve had them at their capacity with a RAW of 7200, while towing at a GCW of 24K. Very stable tires.

The only towing I’ve done with them has been a short, but heavy, toy hauler. 10K on the axles and likely 15% TW.

I steer clear of anything Toyo, which includes Nitto.

" I steer clear of anything Toyo, which includes Nitto "

Okay, I am sure you have a reason, I have no doubt. To help the OP , instead of the above blanket statement, you might help him out by elaborating a bit , he did ask about Toyo AT2's.

I don't care I know the results of what is going on with the set of Toyo AT2's I am running . I know the OP's truck is somewhat different, but going by him being okay with the OE Transforce tires towing, he will see no change IMO as far as handling , sway etc. with the Toyo's. IMO its a GREAT towing tire .

He is running a different size tire, but again if he was happy with Firestone ,then I can't see where anything is going to change with Toyo , at least in my experience going from one to the other .

I will say the Toyo is a 5 rib AT tire. I don't expect great mileage out of it. Its looking at this point around 45K

 

[AH64ID]

Toyo products, Nitto included, are known for rapid wear for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the tire and then being a nearly bald tire for a long time which means no mileage warranty. Nitto's don't seem to be as bad, but still don't have a great reputation.

Towing, dirt roads, and towing on dirt roads are really hard on Toyo tread life and it's not uncommon to hear of folks getting down to 5/32" in less than 20K miles around here.

I know a lot of people that have ran them once or twice, and now won't go back for this reason. The last set of LT's I ran were down to 4/32" in around 25K miles and I only got money back on the 40K mileage warranty on 1 tire. They were basically useless for 15K miles, but the timing worked out for me and I didn't have to swap them out right away. My Toyo 19.5's, which I was told were not like the LT tires, were down to 5/32" in 25K miles on a 5 tire rotation.

Top that off with them being a fair amount more money than other tires and you can see why Toyo really is a 4 letter word.

I've been having much better tread wear with Cooper.

 

[mfurrh55]

I run nitto grappler g2, have over 40k on them and they still have plenty of tread, I tow all the time, just got back couple weeks ago from the outer banks, over 3000 miles just on that trip, albeit most of my towing is with a 7k enclosed trailer, but these nittos have outlasted any tire I've had on in 198k miles

 

[Cummins2014]

Toyo products, Nitto included, are known for rapid wear for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the tire and then being a nearly bald tire for a long time which means no mileage warranty. Nitto's don't seem to be as bad, but still don't have a great reputation.

Towing, dirt roads, and towing on dirt roads are really hard on Toyo tread life and it's not uncommon to hear of folks getting down to 5/32" in less than 20K miles around here.

I know a lot of people that have ran them once or twice, and now won't go back for this reason. The last set of LT's I ran were down to 4/32" in around 25K miles and I only got money back on the 40K mileage warranty on 1 tire. They were basically useless for 15K miles, but the timing worked out for me and I didn't have to swap them out right away. My Toyo 19.5's, which I was told were not like the LT tires, were down to 5/32" in 25K miles on a 5 tire rotation.

Top that off with them being a fair amount more money than other tires and you can see why Toyo really is a 4 letter word.

I've been having much better tread wear with Cooper.

Thanks

The subject is, the Toyo AT2 towing. IMO they are great. Are they going to get great mileage towing heavier fifth wheels or trailers , No !!. They are a 5 rib All Terrain !!. At the rate I tow, and rotating every 5K, I will see 45K out of mine .

May I ask do you tow a heavy fifth , and if so , what mileage are you getting or expecting out of the Cooper's ??

 

[AH64ID]

45K miles is decent, but at what mileage will they fall
below 5/32”?

I tow in several different configurations. I have a 5er, but just got it. It’s likely going to be around 10K, so not super heavy, but with stuff in the bed I’m likely to see 6500-7000 on the rear axle. I’ve only got 300 miles towing it with the coopers.

A good majority of my towing is above 80% of the rear tire rating, so I do work my SRW tires pretty hard. That and a lot of dirt/gravel towing too.

Too early to tellon this set of AT3 XLT’s, but the first 3K miles on them has some heavy gravel towing and they still look new. The Cooper STT Maxx’s I sold with my 05 we’re holding up awesome.

I recall being so angry with Toyo when my 19.5’s burned off a 32nd on my first empty highway trip. Less than 1500 miles and visible wear. Unfortunately it was my fault for going back to Toyo, as they are known for it. Even their retailers will admit thats how they wear.... but have faith they won’t fall below 2/32” until the warranty is up (if applicable).

Dad ran 2 sets of Nitto Dura Grapplers in 285/75/17, needed the weight rating, and even those highway tires wore down a lot faster than we expected. They were a summer only tire too. I don’t recall the exact numbers, but he only got around 30-35K out of the first set. But better than the 18K he got out of the first set of Toyo AT‘s

The Cooper AT3 XLT is 3PMSF rated (severe snow), designed for hauling, and longer life on gravel. It also carries a 60K mile warranty and is US made. All while being cheaper than Toyo AT2’s.

This is my heaviest haul with the coopers and the ‘18. 24K GCW, with 7200 RAW. It’s impressive how stable they are 100% of their load rating. The trip out was nearly as heavy and ran into mud, slush, ice, and snow all on a couple of 6-8% gravel grades. No issues.

 

[NIsaacs]

This is my heaviest haul with the coopers and the ‘18. 24K GCW, with 7200 RAW. It’s impressive how stable they are 100% of their load rating. The trip out was nearly as heavy and ran into mud, slush, ice, and snow all on a couple of 6-8% gravel grades. No issues.

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I have seen that picture on another thread but I can't see where the 24k comes from, where is it at

 

[AH64ID]

I have seen that picture on another thread but I can't see where the 24k comes from, where is it at

Trailer is over 10.5K just on the axles. She’s loaded for elk hunting, no toys in that hauler. Just hunting/camping gear.

She doesn’t look it, but you’ll feel it. Especially when the road is 8% and SLICK!

 

[JR]

I see you've brought the buffet to the elk, John

Just kidding of course.

 

[AEdelheit]

Ive run alot of Toyo and Nitto tires and have never had issues with premature wear or really any issues with them, Now Coopers on the other hand, well they seem to be taking BFGs place as king of DW.

 

[SAP2018]

Ok I’m a dumb ***

So I just tightened up my WDH one more link and now the truck is smooth on the highway. Thank you guys for all the suggestions, towed my TT 600 miles today and zero issues.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Another happy ending!!!