WHOOOO HOOOOO!!!!! finally official eco diesel 1500!!!

[brods]

Please redo this using the HWY mpg ratings....... 20,000 miles a year for most people would mean a lot of HWY miles. And we can argue all we want but the beginning sales numbers regarding orders are showing there is some demand for a 1500 deisel. Was just meeting with a farming client and friend yesterday and he is planning on getting one of the new Ram 1500 Diesels as soon as possible.

Feel free to run the numbers any way you like. I did it out of curiosity because of a discussion on another forum and was surprised how small of an advantage the diesel had.

Initial sales mean little. Look at the 2002 Thunderbird for one example. Only time will tell if the Ecodiesel is a winner or loser. Honestly I do not care. But if success of the 1500 with the Fiat diesel would embolden Sergio to try installing Fiat diesels in the 3/4 and 1 ton pickups, then I hope it fails miserably.

 

[brods]

Ok you got me curious. Highway MPG using the same fuel prices as the other example:

Ram 1500 Laramie crew cab 4x4
V6 ------ epa hwy 23 mpg --- fuel 20k miles = $2,930
V8 ------ epa hwy 21 mpg --- fuel 20k miles = $3,333
Diesel --- epa hwy 27 mpg --- fuel 20k miles = $3,103

Surprisingly it got worse, not better. $230 instead of $308 before DEF or additives are factored in. I’m sure you’ll cry foul at the numbers and I too believe the diesel will have more of an advantage doing mostly highway than the numbers show, but it highlights the uphill battle it will be to justify the diesel option for your average pickup truck buyer.

 

[RustyJC]

As I mentioned earlier, I think Ram's selling point for the VM diesel is that you have towing capacity close to the Hemi with better-than-V6 fuel economy. We'll see how that plays out in the marketplace.

Rusty

 

[EGroeneveld]

Agree its apples to oranges in many ways. I actually am leaning more towards a 3500 SRW as I prefer a long bed. Want to save my dually for truck camper duty 24/7/365. If they could do a heavy 1/2 with a CC long bed I'd be looking more into the 1500 Diesel.

Diesel near me is 3.75, gas is at 3.11. So a spread of .64 per gallon. The example above is using a spread of .82 per gallon. The spread and the $/gallon is the biggest gamble on these calculations......

If I remember correctly back in 2008 when diesel all summer was 4.85/gallon, gas was in the 4.50 range so a much narrower spread.

 

[RustyJC]

It's heating season right now. Diesel is battling for refinery splits with heating oil. The spread between diesel and gasoline should narrow come spring. It's about 60 cents here in the Houston area right now ($3.09 versus $3.69).

Rusty

 

[Bob V]

Feel free to run the numbers any way you like. I did it out of curiosity because of a discussion on another forum and was surprised how small of an advantage the diesel had.

Initial sales mean little. Look at the 2002 Thunderbird for one example. Only time will tell if the Ecodiesel is a winner or loser. Honestly I do not care. But if success of the 1500 with the Fiat diesel would embolden Sergio to try installing Fiat diesels in the 3/4 and 1 ton pickups, then I hope it fails miserably.

I am with you. Serg wants us to know how superior the Italian cars and trucks(?) are and how happy we will be with them, and $2500 6 month services they will take. Like you said before, this is the first step to get ride of Cummins, and if successful it will be the end of Cummins powered Ram trucks. I had the jeep Liberty with the 4 cyl VM diesel, NEVER got better than 28MPG, a few times under 20MPG, and it was always in the shop for (warrantee) engine work.

 

[brods]

Man you guys have good fuel prices. They jumped again around here. Diesel is up between $4.28 to $4.39 and for now the spread is about the same as before the jump.

Someone on another forum was looking to buy the 1500 Laramie crew cab 4x4 diesel (used in the examples used above) and the dealer offered much deeper discounting on the Hemi so they bought the Hemi. Not discounting the diesel as much as the gassers makes the initial cost for the diesel more than the sticker price difference of only $2,850. Just another fly in the ointment when trying to figure out the total cost difference for the diesel. $2,850 did seem a bit too good to be true, but of course its no surprise the auto makers and dealers know how to bamboozle the public when it comes to pricing.

 

[DonFitzwater]

I just hope it works good and is reliable. The rest will fall into place if the reliability and parts availability is there. I wish the guido diesel good luck.................

 

[Wayne M.]

guido diesel

That's good..

Check the home page and see the posted video. They do look nice, and one observation- they have the (what I call) the Olds 442 rear bumper with the dual exhaust tips in the bottom of the bumper.

 

[dodgesst]

Ok I wasn't the only other one that seen the duals