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ATS trans, what fluid?

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It's my understanding that GM and Ford use the same NV271 transfer case and I'm sure they don't Mopar ATF+4. So why should I, other than warranty? If I had the 48RE I definitely would use it in both the xfer case and 48RE but it seems that other oils would be just as good or better. What do GM and Ford use? Here's a chart I found searching NV271: http://www.motivegear.com/TrancatPDF/FLUID.pdf



I will probably use ATF+4 for warranty reasons. But is it the best lube for the application?
 
I question the accuracy of that chart. It shows that the NV4500 and NV5600 both use the same fluid, which they most definitely do not.



BTW, Amsoil ATF is rated for ATF+4.
 
I've considered this problem myself, and have come to no conclusions. If I were designing the drivetrain, I'd make the transmission and xfer case take the same fluid. It just makes good sense on a lot of different levels. I don't understand why they make us put ATF+4 in the xfer case with a manual transmission. What if you blow a rear transmission seal and the fluids mix? Then you've got a real mess.
 
What if you blow a rear transmission seal and the fluids mix? Then you've got a real mess.

I was wondering the same thing as I was changing my fluids over to synthetics the other week. Why couldn't they just make things simple for once?:(
 
lmills said:
I was wondering the same thing as I was changing my fluids over to synthetics the other week. Why couldn't they just make things simple for once?:(

They did - for those of us that are running the 48RE! :-laf
 
klenger said:
I question the accuracy of that chart. It shows that the NV4500 and NV5600 both use the same fluid, which they most definitely do not.



BTW, Amsoil ATF is rated for ATF+4.





unless that is a typo, and they ment to say nv3500 & nv 5600. they both use the same fluid. gm synchromesh, or mopar nv3500 synchro fluid, or pensoil/quakerstate/shell equal
 
I have to agree about the seal situation. I have seen gear lube in an auto transmission from the t-case, not good. I am pretty sure that is why they use the same fluids. And also there is a slight fuel economy advantage to the synthetic although I have never managed to prove it to myself.
 
I have been running Amsoil in mine throughout. I recently had a problem with Amsoil so I called another oil company. The person there had many years of experience with his company and seemed to know more than anyone I have spoken to yet about oils. I asked him to look up the oil spec for the NV5600 that DC recommends. He and the engineers came up with a type of transmission fluid that is commonly used in everything from OTR trucks to heavy equipment with similar components and reccomended it for the xfer and the 6spd. I changed yesterday, so time will tell. I would not use Amsoil for any reason and will be glad to go into more detail if asked!
 
I wonder if the x-case is really all that picky about what kind of ATF you use. I can understand the automatic requiring special additives because of the valve body and TC, but the xcase is just some simple gears w/o any synchros.
 
Well, I'm changing mine in a couple of hours and I picked up some ATF-4 from the dealer. I can see how it would be nice if the transfer case used the same fluid as the NV-5600, but on the other hand the transmission fluid is way more expensive than the ATF-4.



Dave
 
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I have had rear end problems - it was replaced once and a new ring, pinion and pinion bearing the second time. The failures both began with factory fluid, but the first problem, where they had to replace everything, had Amsoil in it when I took it in and it was produce lots of metal flakes. After that it had factory fluid for the next 10K and then they had to replace the ring and pinion. They took extra care to set slack in the gears that time and took the blame for the second problem.



I ran that factory fluid for many miles without a problem. (I could tell you how many but it would take more time). Then I installed a Mag-hytec cover and put Amsoil in - within the week I started feeling the grinding on corners that I had felt before the failures. I made 3 of 5 identical loads with that fluid that week. Changed the fluid to an off-the shelf 75-90 and the grinding almost completely dissappeared on the last 2 loads and since then. Also, there were long metal "flakes" the magnets when I changed the fluid. Since then I have notices that the metal produce by the rear end in more of a sludge without Amsoil, but flakes with sludge with the Amsoil. I also notice that Amsoil now has a "Severe Gear" fluid - ummm, I thought their fluid I was running was made for severe use - IMO - that shows that something in the normal 75-90 was not good enough!



Also, I was running extended oil change intervals and having my oil analyzed, based on others' experince with Amsoil engine oil a bypass filters. During that time I installed an Amsoil air filter, the next oil analysis came back with dirt ingestion and high wear metals. I immediately put the factory type paper filter back in and have not had a significant increase in dirt in my oil since. To recap about the air filter - paper filter for three samples - minimal increases in silicon and wear metals - Amsoil air filter high levels of silicons and wears metals - back to paper, back to normal. There are studies cited on some threads here on TDR that show some air filter test results. I would recommend to anyone "playing" with the air filters on these trucks to have your oil analyzed - and establish a base line. I am sure these engines can go a long time with some fine dirt, but I need my truck to last about 400k and I don't think it would if I left that Amsoil filter on.



I now use a company called Lubrication Engineers in Fort Worth. The salesmans name is Dick Darmon 800-537-7683. I agree with them - just because it is sythetic does not mean it is best for the application - they make both syn and non syn. After I saw their logo, I realized I had used their products before in an industrial application. The place that I was working for at that time said it was the best gear oil they had seen.



I have since replaced all fluids in my truck, except for the front end, to get rid of the Amsoil.



Lots of money down the drain!!!!!



I can provide more exact mileages and dates on changes etc. if anyone need them.
 
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