Will A 5.9 Cummins Fit In A B1 Power Wagon?

[Doc Tinker]

Just wondering if this combination is do-able?

 

[tk064]

There was a similar question a few weeks ago. The answer is sort of. Total engine bay lenth of a PW is about the same as a 6B without the accessories.



I have seen the photos of a completed conversion. In my opinion it ruined the looks of the b-1. I have also seen the same conversion in a carryall (WC 53 3/4 ton Dodge).



In both cases the radiator shell was lengthened around 5 inches to get the necessary length in the engine bay. The firewall was also "doghoused" inward to help with clearance.



The radiator shell really did not look good. The look might change completely if the hood were cut and 5" welded in to the center of it, I don't know.



A front 2" lift is also needed because of the engine height.



The 4B's are a much better fit length wise, but also vibrate more. There are a couple people on the power wagon site with 4b's who post regularly and also one with a 4-Perkins.



I am thinking seriously about putting a 4B into my v-8 carrall, but have not made the financial "leap" yet.



Hope this helps.



Tim

 

[Doc Tinker]

Thanks tk064, just pondering. .



Doc

 

[moparguy]

Go for it Doc, you've been wanting to tackle one of these projects for a while. I've also pondered the same thing. I've about decided the 4b with lots of loctite and underhood insulation applied while the engine is out of the engine bay is the way to go.



Go with the 4b version with the P7100 type pump. 250 hp, 400 ft. lb (after a mild BOMB session), and 25 or so miles to the gallon would be great.



RJR

 

[tk064]

I'm sure it is blasphemous and a use of the "C" word (computer) but the common rail 4B even with all of its computers would be interesting. I know it is a sin to want a 6B that is quiet, but a 4B that doesn't vibrate as much? Well I might be a sinner. Hey it might be nice just to hear the sweat squeaking and rattling of my old truck.

 

[R.E. Miller]

Ha

If you want to hear noise, you should scoot out to Colorado and hear the b-1 Power Wagon that has a turbocharged 3-53 detroit diesel in it... . that is loud



Russell

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Russell,



got pics?



Matt

 

[R.E. Miller]

Hey Matt,

I wish I did have my own pics, but I would have to scan in parts of the power wagon advertiser that have pictures of that man's truck. It was sweet, he used an allison 6-speed auto, installed dana front and rear ends, made is dually, yeah and it had it's own little stack It was a tight fit because of the height of the block of the detroit. I have wanted to do a similar conversion, and from what I have come up with there are just a few concerns... . you will have to lift the truck about 3-4 inches to clear the oil pan, ok so now you need bigger tires, then, can you bomb a 353 enough to turn the bigger tires and not just blow coal smoke out the exhaust all of the time? I think that is could be done, but for all of that trouble I would rather build up a 550hp "B" and not worry about too much smoke or not being able to move the tires. Oh well, I'm not rich, so Ijust keep dreaming ha ha



Hey, I forgot, check out the reader's rigs on diesel injection of texas's page under the other title, there is an old international that has a 353 in it there Oo.



Russell

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Russell,



I've been thinking for some time about a 4-53 in some sort of truck.....



A nice sorta small engine that can be had with a true engine brake is pretty cool!



I'll have to check that out... . I like the old Detroit stuff almost as much as the Cummins.



Matt

 

[R.E. Miller]

Ha, that is funny, I get nagged on that too, but look at how long the detroit two-strokes put the power down for, if they were as much junk as some people say, I don't think they would have made it half as far as they did. Think about it... . modular design, that doesn't exist today, but it sure is nice for parts guys and mechanics alike to have the ability to swap parts and components Noise or not, they sound cool, and I hope to use one someday too. BTW, if you look close at that international I was talking about, it looks like he has the jake brake valve cover on it

Russell

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Anything with a Jake is way cool.....



A 212 cid 4-cylinder, 2-stroke diesel with a Jake in some sort of little car/truck is even more cool!



Matt

 

[T. Baker]

Hey Doc,

Don't give up on the 6BT. I got it into my scout without moving the radiator or the fire wall. 4BTs are nice but it is great having too much power. The 6BT is alot shorter once you get rid of the fan drive hub. Detroits are cool but don't make the real power like a 6BT. But then again there is no Jake avalible for the 6BT. I love Jakes as well.

 

[Doc Tinker]

Not that a project will materialize in my driveway any time soon. . but I think I still like the idea of trying the 6BT. After all, I would have to use the truck to get my TT the the TDR events and a 4BT would not satisfy me, I'm sure.



I'm going to start looking around for a B1 and see what's available. . just in case



Doc

 

[tk064]

here is a link to a 24V carryall

http://www.magratheainc.com/current.htm

 

[Doc Tinker]

Yes. . The Carryall would be a nice one to convert, but I see what you mean about the radiator/intercooler. It doesn't look like it belongs. Is there anyone who custom builds intercoolers? I know I could get a custom built radiator. If the radiator and intercooler were made taller and narrower, it would look more original to the vehicle.



Doc

 

[R.E. Miller]

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/



Doc, check out the Spearco division, they will make an intercooler for your lawn mower most likely if you want



Russell

 

[tk064]

They basically made a power wagon hood to get the engine heighth. The carryall hood has a slight forward rake. On the www.dodgepowerwagon.com site, they have an article section about the different diesels that fit and could fit.



Tim

 

[MidwestMotorman]

New cummins

Cummins also has a new nice little 3. 7 liter diesel coming out.

 

[CrewCabDiesel]

Doc,

remember the Dakota at Thunder ? You know the one with the 5. 9 Cummins and a inline pump. If they can get one in there, you should be able to get one in a B1.

Kyle

 

[power grizz]

has anyone measured up the room in the power wagon for a final fit??? i want to build a racer and i cant touch the firewall and the radiator has to stay in the front of the motor??? and ideas???