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Last March, a buddy of mine hired me to drive a 26,000# rated truck from L. A. to Chicago. (In Cal. you only need a Commercial License for 26,001 pounds. ) I made the trip, pulling in to every weight station--(had to buy a permit in Ariz. ) But nobody ever asked for my driver's license.



In Jan. he wants me to make a similar trip, this time to Florida. Do I need a CDL?



The truck is a 2005 Ford with a Cummins B!! Sweet truck, with nice big box on the back, lift-gate, and a quad cab.
 
26,000 and under, NO air brakes, NO hazardous materials, Less than 15 passengers :-laf , and you dont need a CDL in WI. CDL laws are pretty standard nationwide I think.
 
Not that you are coming up here but, in NY you need a CDL over 18,000. Plus the proper endorsments, air brakes, tanker, hazardous, etc. I wonder how that works, if you are legal in your home state, but not in another? A CDL is supposed to be a 50 state license. :confused:
 
Thanks men! No air brakes, and I won't be hauling any haz. materials. And no passengers except in Fla. where I won't be having more than 5 people on short jaunts.



By the way, the Ferd also had an Allison trans. It was a really nice truck. With that big box I had to keep the pedal near the floor to keep it at 70--I got about 6 mpg. I had 2. 5 days to get it from L. A. to Chicago and I made it right on time.
 
PToombs said:
in NY you need a CDL over 18,000

Since when? This is quoted straight from the NYSDMV website...

Non-CDL Class C - for vehicles over 18,000 lbs. up to 26,000 lbs. (minimum age 18).

Commercial Class A, B and C - for trucks 26,001 lbs. or more and buses (minimum age 21). There are endorsements and restrictions depending on type of vehicle driven and cargo.
 
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BigEasy said:
Since when? This is quoted straight from the NYSDMV website...

Non-CDL Class C - for vehicles over 18,000 lbs. up to 26,000 lbs. (minimum age 18).

Commercial Class A, B and C - for trucks 26,001 lbs. or more and buses (minimum age 21). There are endorsements and restrictions depending on type of vehicle driven and cargo.



I believe they are referring to NYC regs, not NY state. The City is subject to its own set of rules, many worse than CA for vehicles, especially for light delivery vehicles which abound there. If you're getting paid for it, its commercial to them and subject to all the headaches.

The rig you're driving should be exempt, so long as you don't overload. I would carry a CDL for a straight truck at the least myself, but I also don't take chances on much anymore, too many lawyers waiting to get their share of a lifetime of work.
 
Hypothetical question here. If you personally owned a class 8 truck say a Pete 379 and hauled only for your own use, like firewood would you have to have a CDL? Would it not be much the same as driving a Prevost motor home as far as the law is concerned?
 
aseigworth said:
Under 26,001lbs no matter what type of brake system, no CDL required. Over 17,000lbs does require a medical card though "nationwide. " I understand they are pushing to have the GVWR/medical card, down to 11,000lbs on commercial use vehicles. I've been Class "A" CDL driver for over 25 years, and even though you're not really required I'd carry a log book just in case, it may save a fine and/or delays. Happy trails!

Seigworth... . are you from Knox, PA? I think I ate dinner with you a while back at the Peppermill in Warren!
 
Sageair said:
Hypothetical question here. If you personally owned a class 8 truck say a Pete 379 and hauled only for your own use, like firewood would you have to have a CDL? Would it not be much the same as driving a Prevost motor home as far as the law is concerned?

Only if it was a motorhome that you hauled firewood in...
 
Robert:



I think your situation will be the same as mine as an RV transporter. If you are over 10k but not over 26k pounds (that can mean either actual scale weight, GVWR tag on the door, or registration depending on the individual state) you do not need a CDL but you must comply with all other DOT regulations. You are required to keep a standard driver's logbook, must have a medical card (physical exam and drug testing), and the truck must have a fire extinguisher, reflective triangles for use in the event of a breakdown, and a DOT vehicle inspection.



You probably don't want to hear what I wrote above and may never have to produce a logbook or any of the other things but if a state port of entry inspector or any state/highway patrol officer ever decides to check you, not having them can be very painful. The best way to find out for yourself is to call and ask the commercial enforcement officers in your home state.



Harvey
 
Thanks Harvey. The truck will be a leased truck which has the fire ext. and triangles, or at least it did last time. Also has a DOT number. I'll check into the Med card and logbook.



When you transport RV's, how long can you drive before you have to sleep? The reason I ask, is I am used to driving my '95 D/C 2500 back and forth from L. A. to Missouri, and when I make that trip, I drive 800 miles a day by myself. On the trip to Florida, however, I'll have a back-up driver along, so he can drive some every day, although he's not as safe a driver as I am, and the boss wants me to do most of the driving.



Thanks everybody else for the replies.
 
Robert,



This will initially sound very complicated, hard to explain and understand, and unnecessarily complex but the rules were created and are manipulated by a government bureaucracy following congressional guidelines. They are intended to protect the trucking industry and the public from 80,000 pound or greater monsters hurtling down the highways at high speeds 24 hours/day 365 days/year in sunny and dry or rain, sleet, snow, or icy conditions, piloted by sometimes tired or angry drivers fighting the system to earn their living. The rules are enforced very strongly, even harshly, for eighteen wheel truckers. My state and probably most states offer free publications explaining the rules. You can buy logbooks at any truck stop and the rules are simply stated in each logbook.



DOT rules allow being on-duty either 70 hours out of every 8 day period or 60 hours in a 7 day period. Following that you must reset your logbook with 34 hours off duty which means out of the truck unless the truck has a sleeper compartment. A law enforcement officer can demand to see a motel receipt proving it unless you can convince him you stayed at a friend's house in a strange city. The 34 hour figure sounds arbitrary but is simply one night or 10 hours of rest plus an additional 24 hour day off for rest and recuperation. I have learned through experience that the rules actually work pretty well. My mind and body know if I stretch the rules.



A commercial driver can drive 11 hours/day and be on duty 4 hours/day for a total of 14 hours driving/on-duty following a 10 hour rest period.



On-duty time includes everything but actual driving or resting. It specifically includes pre-trip or post trip daily vehicle inspection (required), loading, unloading, repairs, breakdowns, DOT inspections, state port of entry inspections, waiting to load/unload, completing logbooks, records, and other administrative duties, etc.



The second driver can drive during your four hours on-duty but not driving which can allow the truck to travel for a total of 14 hours after the 10 hour rest period. This is a little difficult to explain and understand but basically, unless the truck has a sleeper compartment, the second driver cannot legally extend the driving period very much because you must be out of the truck resting after 14 hours. If the truck has a sleeper compartment another set of complex rules apply. The rules are established this way because DOT knows that you can't actually "rest" while another driver drives in a truck without a sleeper



If your equipment looks clean and well maintained and you the driver look reasonably well-groomed and rested, if you drive within the speed limits and obey all traffic rules and general road courtesy, if you don't come to the attention of a police officer, and if you don't have the misfortune to get caught up in someone else's bad luck or stupid driving, you may never be asked to produce a logbook. But, and this is a big but, the penalties for not keeping a log book and following DOT regulations can be very severe. Any young hotshot trooper or scale operator looking to change the world who happens to observe that you stop the truck and immediately exit without taking a minute to pull out your logbook and make an entry can demand to see the logbook. Ask any CDL over-the-road driver. Several TDR members who frequent these forums are professional drivers and maybe one will comment here.



I hope this helps. If I overlooked or misstated any of this I'm sure someone will correct me or clarify my explanation. When you first become aware of DOT regulations they sound overwhelming and near impossible to comply with but as your familiarity and understanding grow they become more reasonable and easier to accept and follow.



Harvey
 
aseigworth said:
Was probably my father, Ken. Stocky guy in his (late 60's) He frequents the Peppermill about every time he's in Warren. & yes we're from the greater "suburbs" of Knox, LOL.

That was him alright... small world!
 
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