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Amsoil was considerably cheaper than that. With the recent price increases, the 15-40 100% synthetic premium CI4 old formulation good stuff oil is $27. 75/gallon.

It probably sounds like I'm being a Amsoil promoter... I don't mean for it to come across that way. I'm just looking for an honest comparison.

The Amsoil has a TBN of 12, and the Schaeffer's TBN is 10. Generally speaking, the higher the TBN, the longer the life of the oil is before it has to be drained. I wish Schaeffer's offered a non-emissions compliant oil for off-road use that was still the old CI formulation.

However, the $21/gallon in bulk 30 gallon quantity does sound appealing. Where are you ordering from?

--Eric
 
dont worry about sounding like an amsoil promoter, i do remember at one point seeing amsoil for like 50 bucks a gallon, that was an instant turn off to me. also i cant say why exactly but there has always been something about amsoil that i never liked. i dont have any reasons or proof, just a gut feeling. to me its all personal preference, if you like how it runs on a certain oil then do it. i wont judge or hold it against you.



as for the tbn, your right though i think wear metals will dictate too when you should change it. based on your info above yes amsoil would be better for extended drain intervals, but again i like my brand and my service interval, it seems to work very well. i forgot to talk to my sales rep today about the api rating but it would not suprise me if they have a ci4+ oil, they have cf 5w-40 full syn, so why not ci4+.



as far as ordering, i went to the website clicked on buy now, went to find a rep, and called my local one. he is taking very good care of me and this is my suggestion to you if you do this, i got a few free goodies with my order because of the rep and yours might do the same. there is an online buy now option to use too. in fact i think it may have an answer to your question of the ci4+ oil



9000-006 6 gal/cs



this is the link to the supreme 9000 5w-40 oil, it says cj4, ci4, ci4+, and sm, it also says its tbn is 10 as you mentioned and 1. 0% sulfated ash.
 
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It cost me $18 a gallon?? I can't remember exactly, but if you buy $350 of their product, it ships free. I typically buy a couple cases of oil, some trans fluid (which is really good), some grease, and/or gear oil to make up the amount.

I have switched all my cars and equipment to Schaeffers with no lubricant related issues. I have been real tempted to try their 50w trans fluid in my nv5600. I can give a contact for Schaeffers who I deal with, he treats me pretty good. You can also call them, and they will give you names of local people that can get it in, or may have it in stock.
 
thats what i did, went online found a rep and called him. he is taking real good care of me, not your normal sales man. hooked me up with 12 free oil samples, though i think tbn numbers are extra but thats ok. also gave me some free penetrating oil which is on par with pb blaster as far as my experience with it. i am also getting free delivery to my door. in all i ordered $1500 worth of oil, its enough for all the needed fluids on three trucks for about 100k miles collectively.
 
The simple reality of oil in our Cummins engine is THAT THE OIL YOU USE REALLY MAKES LITTLE DIFFERENCE! Let me explain, as long as you are using a reputable diesel rated engine oil and change at reasonable intervals. There is little difference in how your engine runs and how long it will last. Face it most of us will NEVER own our trucks for more than 150,000 miles and even with the worst care and oil the Cummins will last that long. How much extra money should you spend on the "Best Oil that is made"?? I have been using Case IH engine 15w40 in my 5 Dodge Cummins trucks and have had NO OIL RELATED ISSUES. , Case IH will warrenty the 5. 9 or 6. 7 engine for 10,000 hours of use if you use their oil ad Fleetgard filters. Do you understand how many miles that is??

I do buy the Case IH oil in bulk at someting like $12. 00 a gallon. Lots less than $27 something mentioned before. . Or Much More for a wildly outpriced Synthetic. haveing said that I do use synthetic in my race car. .
 
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gonzo, to each their own, i have been a mech for 5 years, trained extensively, before that diesels where a passion and hobby for me, i have spent countless hours reading and studying vehicals, bumper to bumper. i live, breath, eat, sleep, and bleed automotive. i also am currently studying for a b. a. in mechanical engineering. with that said, yes you are right ANY oil that is api rated for the engine when changed properly and with quality filters will make the cummins last a long time. i think cummins speced this engine for 4 or 500k miles but i cant remember.



however synthetics do handle more heat and shear less which means better lubrication. personally i have experienced significant positive changes using schaeffers full synthetic over the delo 400 i used before. based on oil samples i cant also run the oil longer between oil changes, the last thing is i picked up fuel mileage, about 1 to 1. 5 mpg. at 10k miles thats a difference of 37 gallons of fuel, at 4. 00 a gallon thats 148 dollars savings. an oil change costs me just under 100 dollars including tax, using schaeffer oil. the dello 400 cost me just over 50 dollars including tax, however i had to change it at 5000 miles. thats 2 50 dollar oil changes on delo to every one schaeffers, so that part is a wash. the high molly content of the schaeffers is a big bonus to me, since moly sticks to everything and is almost as slippery as teflon, i have better cold starts and i also have better protection under high load conditions. this is just the engine oil, i could go into the rest of the oils needed in our trucks. i have been running this truck with schaeffer lube for the past 40 or 60k miles now (id have to look in my records to really know for sure) in all i personally have put on nearly 100k miles in the last 4 years, and unless something major happen to me or the truck, i plan to run it as my daily driver for at least another 4 years and longer if i am allowed to keep it and keep driving it. that will be almost 200k miles that i put on the truck, thats on top of the 150k miles on the truck when i bought it. i hope to roll 1,000,000 miles thats twice the amount the engine was rated for (10000 hrs x 50mph average = 500000 miles) in this truck, and the only work i want to do in that time is to make it go faster, with as little repair work as possible.



again gonzo, to each their own. delo 400 vs valvoline premium blue va rotella t vs castrol etc. all conventionals they are going to measure nearly the same. same with synthetic from the major manufacturers. however there are smaller companies that just like in any industry make a slightly to significantly better product then the major players in the field. personally i think schaeffers tops them all, others on this forum like their own favorite small private label, and maybe it works just as well, maybe it works better, i dont know, i havent tried them. i have found an oil i like that i think makes a big difference in the way my truck runs, i have run the costs and i think i come out ahead with it. if case ih works for you then run it, the only thing that ever upsets me about people and their trucks is when they dont take care of it. thats when i get grumpy.
 
The simple reality of oil in our Cummins engine is THAT THE OIL YOU USE REALLY MAKES LITTLE DIFFERENCE! Let me explain, as long as you are using a reputable diesel rated engine oil and change at reasonable intervals. There is little difference in how your engine runs and how long it will last. Face it most of us will NEVER own our trucks for more than 150,000 miles and even with the worst care and oil the Cummins will last that long. How much extra money should you spend on the "Best Oil that is made"?? I have been using Case IH engine 15w40 in my 5 Dodge Cummins trucks and have had NO OIL RELATED ISSUES. , Case IH will warrenty the 5. 9 or 6. 7 engine for 10,000 hours of use if you use their oil ad Fleetgard filters. Do you understand how many miles that is??



I do buy the Case IH oil in bulk at someting like $12. 00 a gallon. Lots less than $27 something mentioned before. . Or Much More for a wildly outpriced Synthetic. haveing said that I do use synthetic in my race car. .



Now that statement is something you need to explain.

Why the better oil in a race car that will have the oils disposed of long before they need it????

Maybe you believe synthetic is a better oil.



A little home work for anyone never hurts.

Schaeffers has customer letters to share with you.



How about one where a 200HP JD tractor has 12,000 hours of heavy pulling with NO repairs, no oil usage. Still runs like a Brand new tractor.

And to mention this oil is just a little more than 1/2 the cost of the famous'A' oil!!!!



How about the OTR truckers using oil testing and are able to run as much 60,000 miles between oil changes and still be in warantee??

All Oils feels like oil on your fingers but proof shows Schaeffers is the top lube in the world.
 
Read John Martin's Technical Topics articles in, I believe, TDR issues 56-58(in digital format here on TDR site) He is a chemical engineer with Lubrizol, leading maker of oil additives for the industry. He holds several patents and knows what he's talking about. He cuts through the marketing bs. All oil base stocks are a commodity these days, there isn't even much difference between dino and synthetics as far as lubrication. For diesels the biggest concern is additives. Valvoline Premium Blue(developed in partnership with Cummins) oil was at the top of the ratings. You really don't need to know any more.
 
Read John Martin's Technical Topics articles in, I believe, TDR issues 56-58(in digital format here on TDR site) He is a chemical engineer with Lubrizol, leading maker of oil additives for the industry. He holds several patents and knows what he's talking about. He cuts through the marketing bs. All oil base stocks are a commodity these days, there isn't even much difference between dino and synthetics as far as lubrication. For diesels the biggest concern is additives. Valvoline Premium Blue(developed in partnership with Cummins) oil was at the top of the ratings. You really don't need to know any more. [/QUOTE]



I just laugh at these statements!

Why not learn as much as you can!



Try this.

Just turn the key, then when it makes noise put it in gear and drive! If it won't go, call someone for help!!
 
Read John Martin's Technical Topics articles in, I believe, TDR issues 56-58(in digital format here on TDR site) He is a chemical engineer with Lubrizol, leading maker of oil additives for the industry. He holds several patents and knows what he's talking about. He cuts through the marketing bs. All oil base stocks are a commodity these days, there isn't even much difference between dino and synthetics as far as lubrication. For diesels the biggest concern is additives. Valvoline Premium Blue(developed in partnership with Cummins) oil was at the top of the ratings. You really don't need to know any more. [/QUOTE]



I just laugh at these statements!

Why not learn as much as you can!



Try this.

Just turn the key, then when it makes noise put it in gear and drive! If it won't go, call someone for help!!



Why not read the articles so you know what you're talking about?
 
Read John Martin's Technical Topics articles in, I believe, TDR issues 56-58(in digital format here on TDR site) He is a chemical engineer with Lubrizol, leading maker of oil additives for the industry. He holds several patents and knows what he's talking about. He cuts through the marketing bs. All oil base stocks are a commodity these days, there isn't even much difference between dino and synthetics as far as lubrication. For diesels the biggest concern is additives. Valvoline Premium Blue(developed in partnership with Cummins) oil was at the top of the ratings. You really don't need to know any more.



i read that article and while i think Martin's credentials lend credibility to his statement, that does not mean that they are absolute. i believe he used the term most of the major oil companies. that leaves room for some oils to be better than others. even the tests they used showed some better than others so it must be possible.



i think you are right about the base stocks being a commodity, however i think it applies more to the major oil companies, i believe the article you refrenced talked about how all the major companies are buying and putting their name on either the base stocks or the additives or some combonation there of. those who make the additives could also make their own oil there own special way if they so choose.



schaeffers amoung a few other small oil companies are not what i would call major brands. i would have to go back and reread the companies website again, but i think they formulate their oil in house. i know that is how they started, actually they made candles and found a by product to be a good axle grease, it is a tradition they have continued with. now is that advertising hype? maybe i cannot be certain. the big thing is i feel a big difference between schaeffer and delo 400.



lets for a moment say that indeed all oils are the same base stocks and that the additive package can vary some but is not much different. the article did prove that some additives are better than others, and that raised some oils a little above the rest. as you mentioned additives are above the rest, thats true. schaeffers contains a high concentration of moly, i know from using moly lube products in other forms that it is very slippery and very sticky, this is a quality i like seeing in the oil. the moly plates and coats every oil lubericated part inside the engine, this helps with dry start ups and extreme pressures, both of which is when the highest wear is encountered. that is a quality i like in an oil and why i use schaeffers.



im not looking to start an oil war, i never made claims that it was the best in the world, only that i think it is the best in the world. i personally like it, and was responding to someone asking for feedback on it. if you dont like it for one reason or another or happy with some other brand, well if it works for you that is just fine.
 
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