Would a Frantz Filter work in "other" applications?

[PRout]

Was just looking at the thread showing clear differential covers and they did look kind of neat. Then I thought "wait a minute" if people see the gear oil in my diff they will probably steer clear for fear I'm gonna lock up right in front of 'em.

That was the intro. .

I'm wondering if it is feasible to tap the differential for a quarter inch hose to feed a screen strainer, then a stock carter lift pump, through a Frantz filter and tap it back into the system - "safely". Since I'm not very savvy with diffs & gears someone might be able to suggest good pickup and return points.

Same goes for an NV5600. How feasible is it?
These types of oils get real dirrrty and stinnnky.

Would be kind of "slick" to be able to sub-micron clean these oils if only we can maintain the correct oil level while the pump is circulating.

Hey, sounds interesting to me. . If you can keep your gear lube longer, then you can justify using the "good stuff" - easier

Any yays or Nays, or better ways? (Anything for attention yunno?)

Now here... Use your imaginations, We want clean and happy gears.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Hey, PRout, that sounds like a cool idea. The answer on the Frantz filter is yes. Submicronic filtering is submicronic filtering. Ralph Woods puts his MotorGuard versions of TP filter on EVERYTHING for his customers.



But my concern is the friggin' Carter lift pump. That thing wont pump diesel fuel let alone thick' n gooey 90 weight diff and transmission fluid.



What about that stand alone HPFP FASS, or whatever it's called, I don't know.



Jeez, PR, now you got me thinking about maybe setting up a pump and a Frantz and some hose to make myself a cleaning system in the garage. Snake the hoses to some fittings on the diffs and the transmission every month or so. Leave it circulate for a coupla' hours on each component and boom. Shiney clean fluids!



PRout, You da' man!

 

[PRout]

Hey, thats not a bad idea either. . Yeah, I got to thinking about the 90 & 140 wt and thats a tuffy, but right now Im using the existing engine mounted oem carter to circulate diesel through a frantz connected to the aux tank and its working out pretty well.

Was thinking our standard transmissions put a lot of small particles in the oil (plus it's expensive) and there are several add-on filters available already, but since that oil is fairly thin, it would be kinda neat to circulate it through a frantz. Could add a mini-toggle switch wherever you like to kick a relay to run it anytime you want. Clean trans oil, gotta love it.

But where would we tap into it, and would it cause any problems??

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Be easy to take a PTO cover to the Parker Fittings outlet near you and play around in the bins some. That's what I'm gonna do. Or if you want to add a cooler of some kind in the future, you could fab up a PTO spacer plate with bungs welded onto it, right?

 

[GDMRTN]

I have an nv4500 in a chevy that I plan on doing this to. Holley HP150 pump, a filter, and a cooler. Should keep a trans happy. I also hope to find a sensor that turns the pump on at 150* and off at about 120*. My main reason for doing this is cooling but I figgered throwing a filter in wouldn't be a bad idea either.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Oh, okay, your'e going to circulate through an auxillary cooler and your tossing in a filter while your'e doing the plumbing.



I like it. This project is getting cooler all the time.



Hey, I wonder if Amsoil still sells that 12 volt pre-luber..... hmmmm.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Get it? Cooler.....

 

[BHaden]

My first thought was; will gear oil even get through a TP roll at a decent rate? Seems like a mismatch of filter media-to-viscosity, but I'm just guessing.

Sounds like a good idea though.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Motor oil does, but I see what your'e saying. It doesn't have to flow very fast, the filter will be like a bypass set up. We only want to clean a little at a time.

 

[GDMRTN]

As I see it, synthetic gear oil is fairly thin at 150*. Shouldn't be a problem sending it thru a fine filter. I do want mine to be automatic temperature regulated. That way I don't gotta worry bout it.

 

[PRout]

Alright. . So are you guys saying we need a bulkhead fitting on one PTO cover for the "Supply" to the "Coooooling system" through the switch-able holley, carter, walbro, whatever pump to about 15-20 ft of custom hand-spring bent 3/8" or 1/2" copper tubing to run back down the frame, cross-over at some so-called "protected" location at the back of the truck, then riding the frame back up to the "Return" PTO cover?

Then tee-tap off a parallel path just before the copper to trickle some of this flow through a frantz?? Nawwww, we wouldn't ever do anything silly like this. Not us. .

Added: Does it really need that much coooooling? It might be a little tricky to get the flow rates balanced right. Going to need some pressure for the bypass filter. How about smaller diameter copper tubing to create some restriction so some oil would be forced through the bypass filter and then use separate return points. Would this be considered "Anatomically" correct. . ??

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Alright. . So are you guys saying we need a bulkhead fitting on one PTO cover for the "Supply" to the "Coooooling system" through the switch-able holley, carter, walbro, whatever pump to about 15-20 ft of custom hand-spring bent 3/8" or 1/2" copper tubing to run back down the frame, cross-over at some so-called "protected" location at the back of the truck, then riding the frame back up to the "Return" PTO cover?



Then tee-tap off a parallel path just before the copper to trickle some of this flow through a frantz?? Nawwww, we wouldn't ever do anything silly like this. Not us. .



Added: Does it really need that much coooooling? It might be a little tricky to get the flow rates balanced right. Going to need some pressure for the bypass filter. How about smaller diameter copper tubing to create some restriction so some oil would be forced through the bypass filter and then use separate return points. Would this be considered "Anatomically" correct. . ??

Iv'e got an 01 with a tasty skid plate that just dying for me to mount something on top of it. You see Gary's cooling fins wrapped around his Frantz filters? I wonder how big that Amsoil pre luber is?

 

[PRout]

We've got lots of possibilities here. . Was also mulling the idea of tapping the sides of a Mag-hytec diff cover (one low on one side for the supply and one high on the other side for the return). I think the carter will only pump to a set pressure (7 or 15psi?) and use a restriction orifice before the frantz to keep flow to a trickle. Was thinking of something like this for the transmission first though. Yes, I did see his coolers. They are a nice added touch.

I think the carter will handle the restriction because Ive accidently left mine on and closed the valve after it so it was pushing against a complete restriction for about a half hour and has been through a lot of abuse and it keeps chugging along.

 

[PRout]

If you have room above the skid plate, you could mount a real oil cooler and hang the filter from the bottom of the cab. I have a frantz type mounted that way and the only problem is its a little trickier to remove the element canister without spilling.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Geezus, where did you get this Carter from?! You got the ONLY lift pump that works in that model.



Drilled out Mag HyTec. Sweet! I like the upper and lower approach.

 

[PRout]

Yeah, I believe most of the problems with the oem carters on our trucks come from a combination of the following problems: a. Getting hammered from backpulses from the vp44. b. They run hot mounted on the engine. c. Too far of a distance from the source. d. Cruddy pick up assy in the tank.

So far using them for other purposes and supplying them with a good power source, Ive run one for maybe 50k miles as the main supply for the engine, no prob with it. Then I bought a spare that has been fairly abused. I was sure I had fried it once and it still worked fine after pushing against a closed valve, it has been run dry for hours, Its mounted on the hot engine, it has circulated all kinds of fuel, biodiesel, very dirty donated used motor oil, and even with used gear oil mixed in, and its been run for months like that, and keeps on ticking.

With that said, I purchased a set of the older style fast coolers with quarter inch NPT ports ( from what i understand anyways) and maybe someday soon, plumb that through an extra frantz thats just sitting on the shelf right now via a "manually switchable" frame mounted carter and run the majority of the flow through some copper tubing for cooling, and divert a trickle through the frantz for filtering.

Just have to work out the details, get some minor parts, and make it happen.

First thing will be to get a temp gauge installed and get a baseline to compare to.

 

[PRout]

The question is: Would this mod comply with our basic rule. . "Do no harm" -K7GLD

 

[brods]

What is the expected benefits vs the costs of the system and what are the potential risks? Seems it would be tough to beat regular fluid changes since they are pretty easy and relatively cheap.



Don’t forget cold gear oil will be way thicker than diesel fuel!! Summit lists a pump for the diff: Tilton Differential Oil Cooler Pumps - summitracing.com



Here is a tcase cooler system to give you an idea of what others have done (just add your filter): Transfercase Cooler Design



Lots of racing vehicles use diff coolers, try searching for kits to get ideas. Just replace the cooler with your filter (or keep the cooler and add your filter too).