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Hi all, The only dumb question is the one not asked right? So here goes, We are having a hard time getting wvo from the restrauants, :{ we bought 15 gal drum's and funnels and nobody want's there emploeyes to take the time to fill our drum's(time is money plus liability) :eek: They all say after they dump it in the container's in back we can have all we want. Oo. Oo. Is this oil o. k. to use or is it contaminated from dirt,rain,or whatever to use. Thank's for your time Don
 
oil

Hello

the oil in the bin out back is ok as long as you take off from the top of the oil the bottom is where the water will be also the fat/food/ dirt anything heaver than the oil /but rember that the oil will have some water in it that if you heat the oil will fall out if you want all the water out you must heat it to over 212 degs for about 2 hr's then cool it down real slow



the oil I get is from a fryed chicken place and a chinese place lots of water but I let the oil sit for 2 weeks and heat it to 150 degs this gets the water out. Note you will also get anything they fry in your oil msg/flower/salt /pepper

you name it its in there

if you want good clean fuel after you blend it or make biofuel i would let it sit for a week to let all the stuff fall to the bottom and filter it thru a one micron filter /five micron filter /dont try to make something else work its not worth your time



hope this helps you

cj hall
 
rrab1 Does the dumpster out back belong to the rest. or does it belong to a company that picks up the oil? The guys who pick up oil here, will have you busted for stealing their oil, even though the diner said it is ok. Might want to check.

I just use 55 gallon open top drums with a nice lid that snaps on, easy access to pour in and the lid keeps the water and crap out.

Dirk
 
Both said they pay to have it removed the do not pet paid for the oil that is hauled away I asked that question, I like your snap on top barrels were did you get them,(rrab1) Don
 
rrab1 said:
Both said they pay to have it removed the do not pet paid for the oil that is hauled away I asked that question, I like your snap on top barrels were did you get them,(rrab1) Don



They may pay to get the used oil hauled off, but often a waste disposal contract is involved - and just imagine the reaction of the commercial hauler when he next makes his scheduled route to pick up the container, and finds it empty or way low... :-{}



That's the problem I had when looking for a good source - the restaurants really don't want to bother with any special disposal procedures, and damn sure aren't about to jeopardize or lose a steady and known reliable collection outfit just to please some fly-by-night guys who they might never see again...



That's just one of the downsides of the WVO scenario...
 
Gary. If collecting is just one of the downside's you have had what are some of the other problems you have had, I don't want to give (wvo/bio) a bad name for doing something fly-by-night. Don
 
rrab1 said:
Gary. If collecting is just one of the downside's you have had what are some of the other problems you have had, I don't want to give (wvo/bio) a bad name for doing something fly-by-night. Don



:confused: :confused: :confused:



You have to sort of look at it from the perspective of the restaurant owner - he has waste he must dispose of by means outside what the local sanitary service usually provides, so often uses a licensed hazardous disposal company. They in turn provide storage containers, and schedule drivers and equipment to travel a route making pickups.



Understandably, they can get a bit upset when they discover "rustlers" are cutting in on their route, and creating losses due to wasted time and travel. This all comes back to the restaurant owner, who must choose between a professional and often licensed service - or someone they don't know from Adam who might show up a few times, then never be seen again - then can they convince the commercial disposal outfit to return again?



Judging by most comments seen in these forums, that doesn't seem to necessarily be a big problem for most Bio-makers - but it sure was for me down in California back when I was trying to line up reliable WVO sources.



My earlier post was intended purely as a FYI - nothing more...
 
rrab1

here is where to get the snap on lids for your barrel.

http://www.labsafety.com/search/def...+4294960516+4294926922&Ns=seqno&dept_id=10892

GaryK7GLD is dead on. If you are not sure you can haul off all of the oil the diner has,

dont start. Check the dumptster, if it is a belongs to a rendering company, it will have their name on it. I collect 35-45 gallons a week, from 3 different sources,who i never let their barrels get over 1/2 full. I just dont want them to wonder if i will show up before they dont have any where to put it. I also have 4 nursing homes, that own their dumpsters, when i have time or need more fuel, i can tap those dumpsters, and it saves them money, not having to call the rendering company to dump them quite as often. I just didnt want to HAVE to do it if i didnt want that much oil setting around.

By the way Gary, WVO is NOT considered hazardous material.

Dirk
 
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Has anybody ever approached one of the rendering companies to buy WVO? My time and trouble is worth something and if I could go buy it cheap enough it might be worth it...
 
PZech said:
Has anybody ever approached one of the rendering companies to buy WVO? My time and trouble is worth something and if I could go buy it cheap enough it might be worth it...



A local rendering company here offers filtered/low moisture content WVO. It was $1. 35/gal. last time we checked and that's for 6,000 gallons minimum delivered. Kinda high considering the alternatives.



Have you considered starting a co-op in your area?
 
I’ve struggled with this issue of who the WVO belongs to off and on since I began the journey of making bioD last fall. The way I look at it, and the way many of the restaurant managers I talked to look at it is this way: Unless there is a contract with the collector that makes the collector the owner of the oil the moment it hits their barrel, they are no different than the trash collector. The trash collector merely provides a service of collecting the waste and they provide a dumpster for it. But at any time, anyone can go dumpster-diving to remove whatever they find. If the trash collector can make a dollar on the trash by turning it over to a recycler, so be it. But the restaurant pays a fixed fee to have the trash collected regularly.



To the restaurants, the oil collectors are viewed essentially the same way. They provide a service. The only real difference is the trash collector has regular pick-up days. They pick up whatever is in the dumpster whether it’s loaded light or heavy. The oil collectors, on the other hand, are often called when the barrel is full. No regularly scheduled pick ups. This happens mostly with the small restaurants. Big chains may have regular pick up schedules. But even with regular schedules, the oil is “trash” and the collectors provide a service. If they can make a buck by passing it on to a recycler of some kind, so be it.



I’ve always said to the restaurants I’ve approached for collecting oil that I don’t suggest they stop their service with the commercial collectors. I also emphasize that I don’t want to cause them any problems with their collector. I am simply after their waste fryer oil. All other stuff can go in the commercial collector’s barrel. So far, this has not been a problem and my collection barrel sits next to the commercial collector’s.



On another note, I’ve run into a number of restaurants who don’t want to deal with it. As was said, time is money and they don’t want their employees dealing with the 2 barrels and many don’t think the employee’s have the mental capacity to put the right stuff in the right barrel (sad comment). In any case, it takes a lot of time finding and lining up your sources. But once its done, it usually goes pretty smoothly from then on.



-Jay
 
has any one aproched this issue with the idea of starting a contract with a resturant under a LLC licence or atatched to a seprate businues?



when I return to upstate NY I will be heavily pursuing wvo and having the family farm for storage I could store many gals of oil (also my cousin whom lives in the farm house drives the other brand diesel pick-up and would welcome the fuel im shure) there would not be a problem of getting rid of the oil has any one tryed this? or am I crazy?
 
oil dumpster

Hello

The oil belongs to the owner of the dumpster this is what I have been told in the state I am in the cafe owner calls the company to have the dumpster empied. If you tell the owner that you will pick up there oil for free they wont call the company and you can get the oil they charge 125 dollars to pick up the oil they only want the dumpster half full and they make a big mess if it is fuller. they have one last charge to dump the oil and have the dumpster picked up

I have gotten two more places to give me there oil all I have to do is supply them with 55 gallon barrels then the get rid of the charge and I get free oil

thats a win/win for everybody.

I have gotten 55 gallon drums from lube bulk plants open top drums. they are used for grease 400 lbs a little kerosine cleans them right up,and it wont hurt anything.

I will be getting a 12 V pump for transferring the oil to a storage bin then letting it sit and use the good oil off the top for blending and or making biofuel this is the pump I am thinking about getting.

http://www.dixonpumps.com/detail.shtml

the blade master 1100 12v 11/2 1hp (I will post pic of it when I get it up and running)

saw one work at a ag show it was pumping 30 wt oil as fast as gasoline



cj hall
 
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What are the methods of transporting the oil home? Do you pump from the barrels on the ground to barrels or some other container on the truck?



Roy
 
I have the resturant put the oil back into the 35 lb containers they purchase the oil in then once a week I make my rounds on the way home from work and collect the jugs of oil. It is important to collect on a regular basis. Small estabilishments will save $100 per month if you collect the oil for them. I have found the oil to stay dry in the plastic jugs.
 
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