What would happen if............

[roperteacher]

Dodge needed to replace a motor on say an 06 or 07 model truck with the 5. 9 under warranty and there were no more 5. 9l and only 6. 7's????? Would your 06 truck then become a new federal emissions compliant vehicle?? Just wondered if the ol cummins failed durin the warranty but there were no replacements because of the EPA???? Thanks!!

 

[NUKEMAN]

I think they will keep 5. 9's on hand for a few years for warranty purposes. As far as emissions, it's probably "grandfathered" since the truck was produced with a previous engine.



Reminds me of my '69 Chevy 3/4 ton. I bought it from the original owner, who in 1972 blew the OEM 396 motor. Chevy replaced it with a 402 and re-used the heads, mainfolds, etc. from the 396. All because the 396 was "unavailable" from GM supply. Even says so on the GM work order from '72. All is better now, #'s matching 396 was installed after I bought her.

 

[JEstes]

It won't be a problem. I forget the actual laws, but there's some regulations regarding product support of discontinued vehicles. Plus, the basic 5. 9 that's in these trucks isn't specific just to the Ram. It's not like that engine is just going to dissapear.

 

[steved]

It won't be a problem. I forget the actual laws, but there's some regulations regarding product support of discontinued vehicles. Plus, the basic 5. 9 that's in these trucks isn't specific just to the Ram. It's not like that engine is just going to dissapear.

Then explain why dodge didn't have any spare NV5600s laying around for warranty repairs after they quit handling them...



One guy (on this board IIRC) waited over 7 weeks... for a NV5600 that wasn't right.



Don't always assume they follow the "actual laws".



steved

 

[RobertP]

im pretty sure that cummins has plenty of these engines left over. i also agree that the dodge trucks are not this engines only aplication.

 

[Bodie]

It won't be a problem. I forget the actual laws, but there's some regulations regarding product support of discontinued vehicles. Plus, the basic 5. 9 that's in these trucks isn't specific just to the Ram. It's not like that engine is just going to dissapear.

Yup, these engines are also run in boats, RVs, school buses, machines, oil rigs, heavy equipment, and generators. The Dodge pickups are the only vehical using the 6. 7l in 07 that I know of. So the good ole 5. 9 has still got some demand.

 

[TowPro]

From what I been told, I bet if you CC's that 69 Chevy 396 you would find it was already a 402

 

[roperteacher]

:-laf Thanks for the replies!! I was curious because of the NV5600 deal!!! I thought ( Which is rare) but if a cummins bit the bullet under warranty they might just have to replace the truck!!

 

[Bob4x4]

. The Dodge pickups are the only vehical using the 6. 7l in 07 that I know of. So the good ole 5. 9 has still got some demand.

I ran into a tech at L. A. Freightliner last week,he was telling me about all the failures they were seeing on Fedex trucks with the 6. 7.



Bob

 

[steved]

I ran into a tech at L. A. Freightliner last week,he was telling me about all the failures they were seeing on Fedex trucks with the 6. 7.



Bob

This same type of "failure" was also reported with every 5. 9 used in any application other than dodge. I think if you searched on the intro of the CRD, you would find the same type of reports too...



steved

 

[JDarr]

thought a BB 402cid was the exact same as a 396?

 

[steved]

thought a BB 402cid was the exact same as a 396?

They are except one was in a car (the "396") and the other is considered the truck motor (the "402"). They didn't want a truck with the same cubes as the car, if I remember the story right... but they are physically the same motor...



steved

 

[Bob4x4]

This same type of "failure" was also reported with every 5. 9 used in any application other than dodge. I think if you searched on the intro of the CRD, you would find the same type of reports too...



steved

:-laf My point was more that they have been used in other applications,not neccessarily any big failure rate. The tech also drives a hot rodded 5. 9 CTD. I haven't seen any 6. 7 failures yet other than clutches.



Bob

 

[NUKEMAN]

They are except one was in a car (the "396") and the other is considered the truck motor (the "402"). They didn't want a truck with the same cubes as the car, if I remember the story right... but they are physically the same motor...



steved

The 396 was an option in the '69 3/4 and 1-ton trucks; went to a "402" in '70. You're right, identical motor besides the heads, which are high compression in the 396. Oh, and the side emblem on the fender! I have heard more stories than I can count about the "real" story behind the 396 and 402 motors. Who knows what the truth is, I just know when the block numbers are cross-referenced, there is a difference and that difference didn't match my build sheet from '69, so away went the 402, and in went the 396 with the matching #'s.

Probably would have been easier to just change the damn numbers on the block!

 

[C. Harlan]

I know there will always be a 5. 9 block available, since it is so widely used in the world. . I would be more concerned about a transmissionavailability than the motor aspect though if it were me.



-Chris-

 

[JEstes]

Dang, I didn't know about the transmission deal! I guess laws are no good unless they are followed.

 

[Prairie Dog]

NV5600's are plentifull. In fact, there's company's out there trading them for NV4500 cores. Also, my dealer can get remans no problem.

Not sure where this "sky is falling" thing about NV5600 started but it just aint so.

 

[cojhl2]

I ran into a tech at L. A. Freightliner last week,he was telling me about all the failures they were seeing on Fedex trucks with the 6. 7.



Bob

Remember Freightliner == Detroit. . There is always a hidden agenda somewhere from someone,, maybe not this guy but someone in the org. .