Failed injectors due to debris in the tank?

[GOT-Torque]

A friend of mine recently had trouble with his 2006 dodge (27,000 miles on it). Check engine light came on, wouldn't start. Took it to the dealer and after a few days made the determination that all the injectors were bad and needed replaced due to dirt/debris in the tank. They drained his tank and found some dirt/debris in it. They also stated that new injectors were $800 a piece and that they could only order 3 at a time



I believe that it is all going to be covered under warrantly, and it should be, as he hasn't touched anything on his truck - completely stock.



I want to know how this can happen? I can understand that maybe he got a bad load of fuel and had some contamination in it. Isn't that what the fuel filter is for? It seems rediculous that dodge wouldn't improve the design of the fuel filter system knowing that the new HPCR engines are more prone to problems with contamination in the fuel? Are they using the same filters as required on the stock 2nd gen trucks? What micron rating are these?



On the same note, I do run a FASS system on my 01 dodge and plan on using a Glacier system (2 micron filter) on my excursion project.

 

[DPKetchum]

Should be a 7 micron filter. Older filters were 10. Bosche says a 5 micron and Baldwins NEW filters are 5. Check and see if his vents on top of the tank are open or have lines running off them. You can snake your and in to to the top of the tank and feel them. LOTS of these vents were left OPEN and the rollover recall addresses this on 06 but not 03/04/05. Get a fuel sample and have a independent lab check it.

 

[GOT-Torque]

Shouldn't they also be replacing the injection pump if they determine the injectors failed due to contamination?

 

[telliott]

seems odd to me. if debris was getting far enough to ruin injectors i would say he also has other problems. why was the filter not catching this? hopefully they dont try to screw him and the dealer replaces everthing that needs to be.

 

[roperteacher]

With as many posts I read about DC voiding warranties for COntaminated fuesl, I am really surprised that they are even warrantying it!! But thats good, as they should!!

 

[KevinO]

Buddy's 03 had same problems dealer and chrysler blamed it on bad fuel wanted 5800 to fix it. Says right in the owner's manual that contaminated fuel is not covered under warranty. Good to see your friend has a better dealer that is working with him on getting it fixed. In the price above that was for injectors CP3 and new lift pump.

 

[cerberusiam]

I want to know how this can happen? I can understand that maybe he got a bad load of fuel and had some contamination in it.

Well, 3 micron or larger contaminants will kill the fuel system.



Fuel filter is rated to 7 microns.





Need I say more?

 

[AWestbrook]

I have read more post in the last week about contaminated fuel that I am ordering the GDP comp kit tonight. I can't believe what all I've read. 2 microns with GDP is alot better than 7.

 

[Diesel Thunder]

Makes me feel better about my recent install of the Glacier Diesel 2 Micron Fuel Filter kit with the big line. Richard at Glacier is great to work with. Definitely recommend.

 

[RankRam]

Makes me feel better about my recent install of the Glacier Diesel 2 Micron Fuel Filter kit with the big line. Richard at Glacier is great to work with. Definitely recommend.

Yep same here!

 

[jjdiesel]

Well, the TDR warned us that the new ULSD would 'wash' existing tanks of contaminates and that it could wind up in our fuel systems..... looks like the timing is about right, maybe that's what is happening here??

 

[AMassaro]

Since I am my own warranty station with only 20,000 miles on the clock, I have gone to an excessive route to fuel filtration. Call me crazy, it is for my peace of mind, which I have little of these days. I now have quadruple fuel filtration. 4 filters. I have a 75 micron pre Walbro Earls stainless screen filter. Then, moving up into my toolbox, I have 2 filter heads mounted. One with a Perma-cool 2 micron filter with water seperation. That feeds into a rather large CAT 2 micron fuel filter. This then goes to the stock 7 micron with water sep/heater. I know it's backwards to go from 2 mic to 7mic, but I don't have any room in my engine compartment for the 2 extra filters. I don't think our fuel can be clean enough. :-laf

 

[Jaysyl]

Makes me feel better about my recent install of the Glacier Diesel 2 Micron Fuel Filter kit with the big line. Richard at Glacier is great to work with. Definitely recommend.

I have thought about the Glacier kit, but will Dodge not fix an injector problem because I changed the fuel system? I had an injector go bad on my 05 and it was replaced under warranty. I wonder if I had the Glacier kit would they have fixed the truck?

 

[JGheen]

I have thought about the Glacier kit, but will Dodge not fix an injector problem because I changed the fuel system? I had an injector go bad on my 05 and it was replaced under warranty. I wonder if I had the Glacier kit would they have fixed the truck?

Your warranty will be voided if you install the GDP kit on the engine. I have already tried to go that route and got a big fat NO. Just plain stupid if you ask me, that your "bettering" the truck's fuel filtering capabililties to prevent this kind of crap from happening and they end up voiding the warranty over it. Almost like Dodge likes to fix these bad injector issues and fulfill warranties.



Joe

 

[Jaysyl]

That is what I thought would happen. It looks like a great kit. Something the truck should come with from Dodge.

 

[BGlidewell]

Having just replaced my fuel tank, this thread got me thinking

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See those 2 1/4" connections fore and aft? See the dust on the top of the tank? The truck has 10K miles on it. Those fittings are unfiltered and open to the atmosphere.

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They look like they should connect to something but they don't. They also flow unrestricted in both directions
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[DJennings]

That is definitely a concern. The will seem open in both directions, but the ball valves will close if you were to turn the tank upside down when it is full of fuel. There are many threads about those valves being exposed. There was even a recall on the 06's involving that. Most guys connect them to a tee fitting with fuel line then into a small filter. You can mount that out of the way.

 

[DerekW]

Your warranty will be voided if you install the GDP kit on the engine. I have already tried to go that route and got a big fat NO. Just plain stupid if you ask me, that your "bettering" the truck's fuel filtering capabililties to prevent this kind of crap from happening and they end up voiding the warranty over it. Almost like Dodge likes to fix these bad injector issues and fulfill warranties.



Joe

ummm no... dodge likes to sell parts and keep the dealer in business with shop labor rates with competitively lousy work from techs on flat rate.

 

[DerekW]

WOW I REMEMBER SEEING THOSE LINES WHEN I DROPPED THE TANK ON A CUMMINS THAT RECIEVED 8 GALLONS OF 87 PUMP GAS. I TOOK THE TANK TO THE DEALER TO ASK THEM IF DODGE SCREWED UP WHILE MANUFACTURING HER TRUCK AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS BY LEAVING LINES OFF AND THEY SAID NO THEY ARE JUST ROLLOVER VALVES. NOW I SEE YAL ARE TALKING ABOUT THEY ARE UNRESTRICTED BOTH WAYS UNTIL ROLLOVER OCCURS.



HERES A IDEA. WHILE SOURCING PARTS FOR A 15 GRAND JEEP PROJECT FOR A CUSTOMER AT THE 4WD SHOP I WAS WORKING AT I FOUND A COMPANY THAT OFFERED FILTERS TO GO ON THE VENT LINES TO THE AXLE HOUSINGS WHEN PLAYING ON THE DUSTY AND MUDDY TRAILS. lOOK UP PURPLE CRANIUM. THEY MAKE ALL SORTS OF ODD PARTS MOST DON'T EVEN CONSIDER WHEN THEY ARE SPENDING THOUSANDS ON THEIR PROJECTS. THE ODD PARTS PURPLE CRANIUM OFFERS ARE MORE LIKE THE SPRINKLES ON TOP OF THE ICING TO A CAKE. SORRY FOR CAPS I REALIZED YOUR PROBLEMS WITH STOCK TANKS AND I WANTED THIS POST TO STAND OUT

 

[DerekW]

I think I am gonna go purchase their vent line filters for my dodge right now.