CJ-4 Rotella used oil analysis...not so bad!

[amsoilman]

Wayne,

I use Amsoil in my other vehicles as well as my parents vehicles and have never had a problem and some of those vehicles have over 200,000 miles on them. If you can give me your opinion on the synthetic and leaving it in the sump for a long time versus the mileage deal.

Since you have specifficly asked my opiniion, I will cordialy respond.



The Amsoil oils have been formulated for going the extra mile. Since their inception, in 1972, Amsoil has recommended drain intervals of "up to 35,000 miles/one year" intervals. They have milions of miles, and 34 years of records showing their products work, as well as field testing, and "independent" lab testing.



However, they do make certain guidlines to follow. These "recommendations" are for whichever comes first, mileage or time.



Since you are a Diesel Owner, I will give you the specifics on the Diesel oils they have to offer, which would include the HDD (5W-30), AME (15W-04) and ACD (10W-30-30) oils.



DIESEL ENGINE NORMAL SERVICEDefined as-personal transportation vehicles traveling greater than 10 miles at a time and NOT operating under "Severe Service", up to 25,000 miles/one year drain intervals.



DIESEL ENGINE SEVERE SERVICEDefined as-Extensive idleing, daily short trip driving less than 10 miles (16KM), frequent towing, plowingor hauling heavy loads and frequent driving on dusty roads, up to 15,000 miles/one year drin intervals.



In COMMERCIAL USE:NORMAL and SEVERE use, these oils are recommended to be drained at up to 2X OEM recommendations for conventional petrolium oil or one year, whichever comes first.



Now IF* you use a by-pass filter and monitor the oil using "Periodic" Oil ANALYSIS, ANY of these oils are capable of extending the drain intervals.



Wayne

 

[steved]

I didn't realize posting a UOA of CJ-4 Rotella 15w40 was going to turn into a Amsoil promotional/bashing...



I use Amsoil, even like some of their stuff... but this thread is SO horribly off-topic now... one page of worthwhile reading then two more of useless arguing over Amsoil products (that prove nothing).



Did we lose focus here??? Nothing against anyone...



steved

 

[Buffalo]

Hi Amsoilman,



In your opinion, is it safe to assume that no matter how many miles you put on the oil, you still need to change it on an annual basis? I don't put that many miles on my '03 (10,000 miles, this past year).



With the use of Bypass Filtration, do you feel that one can extend the 'time' we leave the oil in the crankcase (over a year).



Your last post indicated, to me, that Amsoil does not recommend anything over one year between OCI's, no matter what. That's what I heard from Schaeffer Oil, also.



Thanhk You.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Buffalo]

Steved,



I understand your point.



However, some of the information is this thread is still 'somewhat' on topic, I believe. I'm interested in the durability of the new oils & how long they will last, in use.



There's a lot of interest in this thread with some good information.



Thanks for posting it along with your UOA.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I learn something new in each of these oil threads - nor is it uncommon for the the chatter to drift off the original base topic once all the direct related comments have been posted - as seems to have happened here.



The basic notion that the newer oils with what appears somewhat reduced additives as compared to the previous oils it replaces can still present users with acceptable numbers in wear control when/if used for the longer drain intervals some users prefer, seems still slightly suspect - the report Steve provided at the beginning was neither catastrophic, nor was it particularly encouraging as to wear numbers.



But it is a single, early report - others quite likely will clear the picture considerably.

 

[amsoilman]

Since there are members here that think I am overly aggresive, and promoting the Amsoil products, I am going to back out of here.



Some members have specifficly asked me qustions, and I have tried to answer those questions without appearing to promote those products. Apparently I have not done this very well!



If anyone requests my opinion on these products, I respecfully ask that you PM me with your questions.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Since there are members here that think I am overly aggresive, and promoting the Amsoil products, I am going to back out of here.



Some members have specifficly asked me qustions, and I have tried to answer those questions without appearing to promote those products. Apparently I have not done this very well!



If anyone requests my opinion on these products, I respecfully ask that you PM me with your questions.



Wayne

amsoilman

Sorta sad really - we tend to encourage the activity of "experts" at various levels - Brady at II, the transmission rebuilders, as well as various types like Piers who provide both expertise and informed input - Peter at SBC seems the only active poster who's informative threads on his products seems always welcome, regardless of the obvious sales potential those threads provide.



And no, I don't accept that being a Moderator MUST force the individual to carefully avoid comments on what he happens to also sell.



We encourage various experts - then essentially throw rocks at them and gag them to discourage the info they can provide.



When authoratitive info is restricted, forbidded or banned, WE LOSE!

 

[JValdez]

Gary, Buffalo,

I appreciate your opinions and advice. You guys have done your homework on alot of this stuff and it's a great deal of help to me and other members who are less experienced. Thanks



Wayne,

I appreciate your help and advice. I asked you some questions and you answered them based on your experience with certain products. I appreciate your honesty and it's sad that now I've got to PM you for the answers but I'll take advantage of that as well. Thanks



Steved,

I appreciate the sample you posted and thanks for starting this thread. I understand your point about it getting a little off topic but it provided some very good information to some of the members. In reading some of the threads I believe that some of the best ones are the ones that get off course and go deeper into the topic. I believe you were a little harsh on the amsoilman (Wayne) being that he was asked questions directly and he did answer based on his experience with his product. He has alot of experience we can all learn from. Thanks

 

[steved]

Steved,

I appreciate the sample you posted and thanks for starting this thread. I understand your point about it getting a little off topic but it provided some very good information to some of the members. In reading some of the threads I believe that some of the best ones are the ones that get off course and go deeper into the topic. I believe you were a little harsh on the amsoilman (Wayne) being that he was asked questions directly and he did answer based on his experience with his product. He has alot of experience we can all learn from. Thanks

I wasn't being harsh at anyone (and by no means was that directed solely at Wayne).



I was flatly pointing out the fact that I started this thread to talk about CJ-4 Rotella and the last two pages were pro-amsoil/negative-amsoil (or should I say pro-synthetic/negative-synthetic??) related that had nothing really to do with the original theme of this thread. I wasn't comparing Rotella CJ-4 to Amsoil or any other synthetic. But it seems any topic related to oil leads to this argument... when all I wanted to do was talk about the potential effects of CJ-4 Rotella... or any CJ-4 oil might have on my CTD.



I'm sorry I posted the UOA in the first place, I learned my lesson. It won't happen again. Hopefully this helped someone, but I won't be posting any future UOAs on TDR.



Respectfully,

steved

 

[JValdez]

steved,

I hope you continue to post these things. I followed your posting on another site dealing with oil only. I learned from it and it's very interesting and great info for all the other owners of these trucks.



I understand the thread took a turn onto a different subject but there again more information was learned which is what I thought the TDR was for. I'm not trying to bash you or anything I just think this was a great thread and alot of questions were answered by some very knowledgable people including yourself. I hope you continue to post your findings and spread your knowledge about these trucks.

 

[CarlsonR]

my apologies to all, and especially wayne, sorry i lost control.