Massacres happen when no one is there to return fire.

[bighammer]

I guess a more favorable option (in my opinion) would be to require ALL staff to take AND PASS a shooting course and carry at all times rather than to allow a bunch of young, inexerienced kids to tote their own pieces.

 

[SHobbs]

Heard this morning on the news the shooter was taking anti depression meds, had stalked a few women on campus and if I heard the reporter correctly even set fire to the dorm. Seems that this guy has been a handful for a while. They say he was a loner on campus and wanted revenge against the rich and debauchery. Why is there not some kind on intervention before things get to this point. Once again a depressed individual takes out his frustration on the innocent.

 

[CumminsBu]

I believe in control, use two hands.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 

[The patriot]

Do we want armed guards patrolling all the halls of colleges, etc. ?



Do we really want students carrying guns to class?



We all live in a dangerous world.

When my little brother was going to college in Colorado, he was packing.

He had a Co. CCW (and had previously served 4 years in the Army)and no laws said otherwise.

I've carried on campus when in a state I was licensed to do so.

Nobody is responsible for your own safety. Only you.

 

[AMink]

I think if you have a CCW and have passed the FBI, the local PD, and all the other stuff, you should be able to carry pretty much anywhere.



This guy had all kinds of warning signs--fire in the dorm room, weird writings, stalking--and should have been talked to before this went down. That being said, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[CRuth]

Korean is what they're saying he was. Came to the states when he was eight years old. So he was a naturalized citizen with the right to buy guns. How a guy that was fairly obviously disturbed wasn't turned away from buying guns though will be interesting to see.

 

[2broke2smoke]

my wife and i are both rn's ...



i work in the OR/PACU and have seen first hand what a handgun can do to a human being ...



and that's exactly why we both carry concealed ...



and yes jumbo when my daugter turns 18 she will get her cc permit ...



she already knows how to shoot very well ...



although she thinks the wifes airweight . 357 kicks too much for her tastes ...



"just get me a little 9mm glock dad ... "



13 year olds ... what can a dad do

 

[The patriot]

"just get me a little 9mm glock dad ... "



13 year olds ... what can a dad do

Well, shopping for her next birthday should be easy anyway. :-laf

Get lots of ammo. Practice practice practice.

My daughter is only 4 months old and I'm already looking at those silly pink rifles at gunshows.

 

[2broke2smoke]

anyone else remember when armed students stopped a shooting on campus?



i believe this is it?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

 

[fkovalski]

... My daughter is only 4 months old and I'm already looking at those silly pink rifles at gunshows.

Now that is just wrong and highly offensive! And I must oppose this lack of parental judgment!









(Don't get a pink one... a nice walnut stock would look better. )

 

[dpuckett]

I agree with the majority in this thread- if someone had been armed, the death toll could have been less. BUT..... He (or she) who carries must also be WILLING TO USE DEADLY FORCE in a situation like this- shoot to kill and kill quickly. I have never been in such a situation, so I cant accurately say how I'd act or feel, but the thoght of plugging a thug in the head (he may be wearing body armor, and if I cant hit his head, I have no business packing) does not bother me. On the contrary, I think I would be worse able to live with myself if I stood idly by while someone shot up the place and I was armed and did nothing.



I dont see why people dont see it my way- the word criminal has its root in CRIME. Webster's deinfes it thus: "an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden, or the omission of a duty that is commanded, by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law. " Emphasis on the forbidden by law part. So, logic combined with Webster's tells us that criminals dont follow the law. If they dont follow the law, how are we going to be safer with more restrictions on our GOD GIVEN RIGHT to self defense? Just because people have a gun doesnt mean they are going to use it everyday. I have many friends who packed LONG before MO passed CCW, and they have never had occasion to use it, but better to have it and not need it than to need it and end up dead. I guess I am not as stupid or emotionally inclined as our liberal friends. What class can I take to knock my IQ down about 40-50 points and understand their "logic"?



Daniel

 

[dpuckett]

I heard on Michael Savage's radio show the return label on the package to NBC had the name A. Ishmael. Accroding to Savage (sp?), Ishmael was the illegitimate son of Abraham and Helga. I'm not sure on the specifics from there, but it ends up being important to the Muslim religion. I have not looked into the details, or done the research myself, but if true, it could be a boon to the AlQeda cause.



DP

 

[bmoeller]

I firmly believe, that if a law abiding student would have been carrying today, the body count would have been much lower.

Political correctness has killed more people than my gun. Just as Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my truck.

If I had been there at V Tech with a CCW, I would've shot that POS.

With all of the complaints there were against him (stalking women), and his crazy writings, I'd like to know why the school allowed him to stay. Almighty dollar do the talking here?

 

[daveshoe]

So a good guy comes in and carries even though it is against the rules. The shooter wounds one student and is stopped by the CCW holder. Do you even want to speculate how the media would crucify the armed citizen taking the law into his own hands? How about the poor troubled Korean whose life was cut short because we did not take the time to make him welcome in our country?

Whatever the headline would be,it certainly would not say ''Armed citizen saves 30 lives today. '' It would be buried on page six. The citizen would probably be prosecuted and forever lose his right to even own a gun.

 

[AMink]

If someone with a CCW was able to stop this waste of skin, the press and anti gunners would find a way to spin it so that the CCW person turns out evil. They might not even report it because it disproves one of their main contentions. Guns are evil, people do things because someone else caused them to. I tell my kids that the only people who can MAKE them feel a certain way or act a certain way is themselves! (And maybe Mom)

 

[MLisle]

I spent 10 years in the Army(helicopter pilot) so I don't consider myself a pacifist and would have no problem making the right decision to use deadly force to defend me and mine. That being said in tn the only qualifications needed for a concealed carry permit is a background check and a firearms safety course. I don't think that is enough screening or training to qualify someone to make a decision using deadly force. That combined with the possibility of someone shooting a innocent bystander or having the weapon taken away from then is why I don't believe college students or anyone else should go around packing heat.

 

[Byershome]

"I don't believe college students or anyone else should go around packing heat. "



"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "



It is their Constitutional right... ... .....

 

[MLisle]

"I don't believe college students or anyone else should go around packing heat. "



"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "



It is their Constitutional right... ... .....

I agree with the quote, as long as you don't define well regulated militia as a bunch of wanna-be's with no military or police training running around with guns looking for someone to shoot.

 

[Byershome]

The second amendment covers both the right to form a militia and the right of the idividual to own and bear arms. They would have left out the commas if they meant otherwise.

 

[AMink]

I find it interesting how liberals like to expand the meaning of the 1st Amendment (there is no seperation of church and state, as they define it), anyone should be able to say anything (unless you're Don Imus), putting Mary in a jar of feces is freedom of speech, etc. Meanwhile, they try to whittle the 2nd Amendment down to nothing. When they say "well regulated", they mean National Guard. The right of the people means "as a group". At least that part is starting to fall in several areas. The courts are starting to realize that it means the individual people.



This is one of my "hot topics". I cringe every time I hear "what do you need that gun for?" It's usually not that I "need" it, it's that I "want" it. Welcome to America! Same question could be asked to the owner of a CTD who doesn't pull trailers or haul heavy loads. Or the person who has a 6 burner Viking range in their house. GRRR!