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Well im still reasearching something to stack with my tst power max cr. Its a non fuel pressure, older box. Im just curious, I know the tst adds timing and duration to make power. But from what i understand, is that the smarty does the exact same thing. So my question is why would you stack two things that do the exact same thing to make power? What would be a better stack with my tst, added pressure or a different kind of added duration from the smarty. I would assume from what everyone says that the smarty adds fuel sooner in the cycle. Hence the increased low end torque. I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYONES FEED BACK ON THIS. I want a stack but not sure exactly what yet, thats why im asking you all, You know a lot more than i do. THANKS!
 
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I think you would really like pressure with the tst, my good friend has a smarty with an EZ, he runs I believe the second setting on the EZ all the time with the smarty on 60 horse, I drove his truck and WOW does it have low end grunt and a $$$$ ton of smoke, it was a blast to drive, pressure made a lot of difference. ;)
 
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I have the stage III 90 horse chip from DR Performance if you are interested. I called them and they say it is a pressure plug and play module. I would like to get the edge juice w/attiude instead for the guages. I am not looking for monster HP to need to stack stuff. I have absolutly no complaints about this module, it has been flawless. just want the convenience of the edge w/attitude. Drop me a PM if interested.

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Well what i have in my truck right now is, aem brute force intake, 4 inch full exhaust, and just a tst powermax with the r 39 controller, soon to be upgraded to the r 49, stock charger, looking into an htt super 62. Thanks for your help.
 
Mark at TST explained to me that the TST and the Smarty cover opposite ends of the power curve. Don't know about your older box, but I think it went something like this: Smarty gets the bottom end, TST boosts and extends your HP/Torque curve higher into the Rev limits, but there's kind of a gap in the middle.
 
Does anyone know if extending the duration on the injectors shortens there life span. Im curious to know how long these things will last. Im thinking of replacing the nozzles, but im wondering how long the actual internals of the injector should last. As for the smarty taking care of the low end, is it just because it pulls open the injector sooner than the tst. I guess they are gonna add pressure to the new smarty also, when? and is it gonna be on the older trucks as well as the new ones??? My truck is an 03 h. o.
 
Does anyone else care to comment? come on i need some help deciding what to do. Also my tst seems to be causing a p0647 code. Which i think is excessive voltage to the a/c relay. My air conditioner stops working when this code happens. The guy at tst told me it was an inadequate ground on the battery terminal, so he recommended i move it to under the dash, which i did, and it took care of the problem for a couple of weeks, until today when it did it again. Anyone have this happen to them? Whats the cause? and whats the permanent fix? I need some help please
 
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Yeah, I guess TST and Smarty both effect duration and timing. Most find that you're better off to use the timing offered by Smarty, and not by the TST (that is if you have the TST box that will allow you to adjust timing. ) If the TST you have won't let you adjust timing manually, you should probably run an even-numbered Catcher on the Smarty.



As I understand it in simplified terms, TST effects the duration by a specific percentage at a setting. Thus, the duration of the injection event is increased by this same percentage across the entire speed/load range.



Smarty is different. It changes the fueling and timing maps in the ECU. Thus, the timing and fueling are not increased by a fixed percentage, but each point on the map can be altered individually. This could allow for much smoother transitioning than a plug-in type box provides.



Smarty also alter (or takes away) torque management, which derates power on the low end to help protect your drivetrain. There is a huge difference in driveability between stock torque management and wild.



I would say an upgraded turbo would be a better place to start before adding the Smarty. I know with my TST and stock turbo, I could peg high EGT's in no time. Adding Smarty is only going to make this worse.



After you add a larger turbo, then purchase Smarty... You're not going to be able to use this combo to its potential with the stock CP3. I can easily drain the rail on even moderately low settings with my TST/Smarty/TS MP-8 stack.



I don't think extending duration has that big of effect on injector life. Some say multiple injection events place more wear on an injector over just going with one main. Additionally, raising rail pressure will lend toward increased injector tip wear.



Hope this helps somewhat. --Eric
 
Well, here, I'll comment.



Yeah, I guess TST and Smarty both effect duration and timing. Most find that you're better off to use the timing offered by Smarty, and not by the TST (that is if you have the TST box that will allow you to adjust timing. ) If the TST you have won't let you adjust timing manually, you should probably run an even-numbered Catcher on the Smarty.



As I understand it in simplified terms, TST effects the duration by a specific percentage at a setting. Thus, the duration of the injection event is increased by this same percentage across the entire speed/load range.



Smarty is different. It changes the fueling and timing maps in the ECU. Thus, the timing and fueling are not increased by a fixed percentage, but each point on the map can be altered individually. This could allow for much smoother transitioning than a plug-in type box provides.



Smarty also alter (or takes away) torque management, which derates power on the low end to help protect your drivetrain. There is a huge difference in driveability between stock torque management and wild.



I would say an upgraded turbo would be a better place to start before adding the Smarty. I know with my TST and stock turbo, I could peg high EGT's in no time. Adding Smarty is only going to make this worse.



After you add a larger turbo, then purchase Smarty... You're not going to be able to use this combo to its potential with the stock CP3. I can easily drain the rail on even moderately low settings with my TST/Smarty/TS MP-8 stack.



I don't think extending duration has that big of effect on injector life. Some say multiple injection events place more wear on an injector over just going with one main. Additionally, raising rail pressure will lend toward increased injector tip wear.



Hope this helps somewhat. --Eric



What settings are you using on each power adder in your stack?
 
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