oil filter bypass system

[COwings]

What are evryone's thought on the bypass system. And where woulod be the best place to get one. I saw them on AMSOil.com but it was a little pricey. Thanks for the input

 

[Bekim]

Amsoil, Oilguard and FS2500 from Filtration Solutions, all good products. All filter down to 2 microns or so. Frantz also makes a really simple unit. Get the Amsoil from Amsoil direct or a distributor(ask for preferred customer pricing). Get the Oilguard at oilguard.com. The fs2500 i've seen on Ebay. Their website has dealer info.

I'm sold on bypass (or partial bypass as the case is) The oil analysis numbers demonstrate the superior filtering going on with a bypass. Most of the 3-7 micron particles(the ones that really cause wear) are filtered out. Since soot and chemical contaminants are much smaller than even 1 micron, even a bypass cannot filter these things out.

The replacement elements for the Oilguard and Amsoil unit cost between $20 and $30, I don't know about the FS2500 element. These are replace at 25,000 miles for Amsoil and Oilguard.

25,000 or more miles for oil change interval are the recommended numbers(on the Amsoil info page)

Study it. Gather all the info you can and make your own decision.
Cheers
Mike
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[Big Red Express]

I have an amsoil bypass and purchased the mounting bracket from tri county machine. The set up was pricey but it looks and works good. just my opinon.

 

[bmoeller]

I run a Frantz. Frantz Filters Manufactured by We Filter It! Inc - Oil, Diesel and Gas Filters

 

[Buffalo]

I believe the bypass filtration systems REALLY do work. However, you may want to ask, do you REALLY need one?



If you do a LOT of driving, as in commercial trailer hauling, etc. , bypass filtration along with the use of a quality synthetic oil is, probably, a good idea. It will extend your oil drain intervals, substantially, and reduce your maintainance oil changes by quite a bit. A nice convenience.



If you are a normal driver, & still have engine warranty, you will have to change the oil on an annual basis, anyway, to maintain the warranty.



Last year, I drove my '03 about 10,000 miles. Changed the oil at 9626 miles & had a used oil analysis done. The oil was still in good condition (Chev. Delo-400, 15X40, CI-4+). Even if I had used a bypass filter with the best synthetic oil, I would have still had to change the oil, just to maintain the warranty. Would have been a waste, FOR ME.



The Cummins engines are pretty easy on oil & there are many of them on the road with HUGE miles, on them, just running conventional oils. I've read on one truck with 1,153,000 miles (without an engine rebuild) that used Shell Rotella, 15X40 & changed every 5000 miles. This was back in the middle to late '90's when the oils weren't as good as they are today.



You may want the VERY BEST for your truck & not care about stretching your dollar. In that case, for that 'warm & fuzzy' feeling you get by giving your truck the best, I'd say that has value, also. That, too, is a good reason.



You may want to go over to "bob is the oil guy.com" & check out their oil bypass forum. There is a ton of knowledge on that site that is lubrication related.



I'm not trying to disuade you from doing what you want. Just offering a bit more informationl so that you can make a more informed decision.



Good Luck.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[amsoilman]

Although many on this subject think extending the oil change intervals are going to "VOID" warranty, it is not true, *IF* you do oil analysis on a regular interval, and keep the results of each analysis. An oil analysis will satisfy a regular oil drain interval with any of the OEM's. It's hard to dispute!



Wayne

 

[Buffalo]

Amsoilman,



Let me preface this by saying that I do not have an agenda against Amsoil. I would not be afraid to use many of their products in my vehicle.



Regarding "used oil analysis" overriding what the OEM's warranty stipulates, I have not found that to be true, according to the dealers that I have spoken with. They 'highly' recommend that you NOT extend oil drain intervals, even with used oil analysis, if you expect them to honor the warranty.



Given Dodge's reputation for avoiding honoring warranty's, my guess is that they would do whatever necessary to 'not pay off' in an extended oil drain case. Dodge writes the warranty & makes the rules & if we choose not to follow those rules, we're on our own, as far as they are concerned.



Now, that doesn't mean that if you hired enough high dollar attorneys, you couldn't win the case. By the time you got done winning your case, you could, probably, have bought your own dealership.



My own experience with Dodge warranty is that they are very reluctant to throw any 'big dollars' at our trucks. Even when there's an obvious problem (such as injectors). I have not had any problems with them taking care of the inexpensive problems.



Wayne, you may be right but, I would be worried that by the time you won the fight, you will have lost the war.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[y-knot]

The dual By-pass filter assembly from Amsoil is a great piece of work, and while you might think it pricey, it's worth every Penny it cost. The main thing you need to know and remember is that if your going to install a single or dual filter mount, this piece is in complete control of your truck's diesel engine oil supply. The one thing you can not afford to have a problem with. The factory takes great pains to insure your engine will have no oil issues with regards to filter mounts, oil supply, pressurization and storage. When you decide to alter this system, you need to make certain you do nothing to degrade, or diminish the integrity of the entire system. This means purchasing the very best of all the components that make up the By-pass system, the mount, hoses, fittings, everything... . If you are not ready to do this in the style it deserves, they please don't do anything. You are complaining about a mount that cost under $100. 00, what do you think about that 6-7K dollar engine??

Another member recently added a By-pass oil filter to his rig, and to be honest he did a terrible job. The selection of hoses, clamps coolers and mounts were all sub-standard, and even the quality of workmanship was extremely low. I hope it works out for him, but the point is to not put yourself , or truck in that position.

The benefits of a good quality dual By-pass system are great, and have been well documented on the TDR. The Amsoil filter mount and now even their filter adapter (which use to be cast aluminum, and a big no no ) are both made of billet steel and machined to a high degree of quality. I highly recommend them, along with the filter adapter from Tri City Machine, all quality pieces. Installing one of these systems is just plain expensive, mounts, filter, and good hoses and fittings could easily bring the cost up to around $400-600. 00 . The oil changes will require another 2-3 quarts of oil and your Dodge filters will no longer fit. The filter alone, 1-By-pass a 90,100 or 110 run $40. 00 and the primary filter #16 goes for another $14-16. 00. So think it through.



One thing to many take for granted is the location. No modification, none is worth it if you only complicate things from the addition. The placement of the filter mount should be wisely thought over. If using a filter adapter, you are getting the oil straight from the pump, there is alot of harmonics (vibrations) on these engines and oil pressure can get very high,the filter mount and hoses need to be insulated from the body, and frame to cut down of noise, also to avoid injury such as scuffing. The mounts need to be Strong and well placed for ease of future access (oil filter changes). Think it through, and then do what you need to do. Good luck.

 

[Mundgyver]

I have the AMSOIL Dual by-pass set up on my truck with two by-pass filters installed instead of one by-pass and one full flow. They are in line with my turbo and work very well.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/general-diesel-topics/184928-2-bypass-filters-turbo.html

 

[amsoilman]

Amsoilman,



Let me preface this by saying that I do not have an agenda against Amsoil. I would not be afraid to use many of their products in my vehicle.



Regarding "used oil analysis" overriding what the OEM's warranty stipulates, I have not found that to be true, according to the dealers that I have spoken with. They 'highly' recommend that you NOT extend oil drain intervals, even with used oil analysis, if you expect them to honor the warranty.



Given Dodge's reputation for avoiding honoring warranty's, my guess is that they would do whatever necessary to 'not pay off' in an extended oil drain case. Dodge writes the warranty & makes the rules & if we choose not to follow those rules, we're on our own, as far as they are concerned.



Now, that doesn't mean that if you hired enough high dollar attorneys, you couldn't win the case. By the time you got done winning your case, you could, probably, have bought your own dealership.



My own experience with Dodge warranty is that they are very reluctant to throw any 'big dollars' at our trucks. Even when there's an obvious problem (such as injectors). I have not had any problems with them taking care of the inexpensive problems.



Wayne, you may be right but, I would be worried that by the time you won the fight, you will have lost the war.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

Joe, First off, I highly respect your opinion and viewpoints. As to the warranties being voided due too extending drain intervals based on UOA, Amsoil has been making the by-pass systems for 25 years now. Yes, they have encountered OEM's that have questioned the addition of the by-pass system on vehicles with the intent to extend oil change intervals. Infact, way back when the Amsoil by-pass was introduced (1982) Chrysler Corp. tried to void a warranty issue on a Chrysler vehicle. The case was taken to court, and Amsoil proved beyond a shadow of doubt, the system or drain interval of the vehicle did not cause the problem at issue.

Since then, there have been many articles written concerning by-pass filtration and UOA to confirm the oil to be in a operable condition, thereby extending oil change intervals. The large trucking Companies do this all the time, so why isn't it possible for the cars and pickups.



Here is "part" of an article that was published in "lubricants World", an oil Industry publication.

"Almost all 2005 and later General Motors vehicles are equipped with its Oil Life System, which makes use of a color-coded system to alert the driver when it’s time to change the oil. A “yellow” condition indicates that it’s time to think about changing the oil, while a “red” condition indicates that the oil is past its service life. According to GM, the typical drain interval for vehicles equipped with the Oil Life System is 8,500 miles, which will result in a savings of 6. 6 million gallons of oil and $145 million for 2005 model-year drivers over the lives of their vehicles.

General Motors is actively seeking to extend oil drain intervals even further. In fact, the company recently asserted that 20,000 mile oil drain intervals are possible with existing engine technology and synthetic oils meeting current specifications, while 30,000 mile oil change intervals are achievable with appropriate motor oil quality and minor engine modifications.



“Drain intervals are a very specific goal for GM, and are being managed in a logical and planned fashion,” says James A Spearot, director of GM’s Chemical & Environmental Sciences Laboratory in Warren, Mich. “Longer drain intervals are desirable to meet customer demands for reduced maintenance and convenience, and for the environmental benefits that come with less oil handling. And, in the end, longer drain intervals will help us with our warranty protection goals. ”[END QUOTE]



No doubt there are dealerships out there that will try to void warranties based on the owner not corresponding to rules, principles, or expectations which they feel jeprodize the warranty, but the bottom line is: oil change intervals can be extended without jeprodizing warranties, if the proper procedures are followed.

Wayne

 

[AKaiser]

What one filtration said about EODI/EOCI in 1998. BTW, I am a believer in EODI done properly.



http://baldwinfilters.com/engineer/pdf/98-1.pdf



"Extended oil drain intervals are not without risk and short term cost savings benefits

should be balanced equally with engine performance and reliability. With all of the

factors affecting the engine oil it is easy to see why OEM's have traditionally been

conservative in setting oil drain intervals. If you think your equipment is a candidate

for EODI program, do some research. Check with your Filter, Engine, and Oil

manufacturer for guidance. If you're not doing oil analysis, start a program. Review

your filtration package and most of all understand the potential risks involved. If not

properly implemented EODI short term savings are offset by expensive repairs and

downtime further down the road. Always dispose of used engine oil and filters

properly. "