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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Dead Pedal-APPS/TPS adjustment

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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Booney Box

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Hey guys,



I have had the dead pedal syndrome for a couple of months now. I had codes P0121, PO122 and PO1693. It only happened every once in awhile, and when it did, just pushing the pedal and releasing it brought the power back.



Anyway, after a lot of reading on this forum, I decided to try the electrical adjustment that was originally posted by Diesel Transmission Technologies.



Here is what I found.



I had 0. 255 volts at the #23 pin on the ECM. On the back of the throttle position sensor it said the voltage should be 0. 551 volts. Turning the TPS counter counterclockwise dropped the voltage, turning it clockwise raised the voltage. I could only get the voltage up to 0. 441 VDC. That was at the end of the adjustment. But it is a lot closer to what it is supposed to be.



I went for a test drive and everything was normal (rpm, shift points etc. ) so that is good.



Now it is a waiting game. I will post back if the dead pedal syndrome reoccurs. I will also post back after 1,000 miles or so and let everyone know if the adjustment cured the problem.



I imagine it will return eventually, and need to be replaced, as it was so far out and would not get to the correct voltage.



Arlan



OK... ... This adjustment has fixed my dead pedal. I have just over 2,000 miles since the adjustment and have had no more dead pedal.
 
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Dead Pedal Syndrome (DPS???)

I too have the dead pedal syndrome. I have found that if in cruise I must hit the cancel button and then pedal to the metal and back again and away we go. It is getting more frequent recently. I am also pulling a bigger load, 31 foot 5-er. Where is this TPS located that needs the adjustment? And how do I access the ECM pin? Appreciate any response you can give me.
 
The DTTProcedure is the correct method. I think that as close as you can is good enough. I did mine about 2 years ago, and it is still fine.



Bob Weis
 
Deiselman... . below is the information I found to do the test/adjustment. I did more searchs and reading to try to figure out exactly how it was done. I never found a complete "how to" so after you read the copy and paste below I will explain what I did. I was about to put it back together when I figured it out.



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RESETTING THE APPS SENSOR.

(ACCELERATOR PEDAL POSITION SENSOR)

2ND GENERATION 24 VALVE TRUCKS ONLY.



LIST OF TOOLS NEEDED



DIGITAL VOLT METER

# 20 TORQUE BIT SOCKET

# 1 PHILLIPS

# 10 MM SOCKET



Proper service and repair procedures are vital to ensure personal safety of those performing the repairs. Standard safety procedures and precautions should be followed at all times to eliminate the personal injury or improper service, which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

Although this material has been prepared with the intent to provide reliable information, no liability is assumed in reliance of this material.



It has come to my attention that a lot of people think by disconnecting & re-connecting the batteries and stepping on the throttle it is going to reset the apps, no, that is not correct. It is impossible to adjust your apps if you do not know where it is supposed to be set at. That is why you need the voltmeter.



This is the procedure I use to re-set the apps.



With the key on, engine off you need to probe the apps wire to see where your voltage is currently set at.

The best location to probe the wire is on the PCM (power control module) which is located off the passenger side of the firewall.



· You want the C1 connector, this is the connector closest to the engine,

· You want the orange wire with the dark blue tracer which is pin # 23

· Voltage should read somewhere around 0. 5 volts,

· At this point the voltage reading does not matter, it just has to be accurately written down for later reference.



*** TURN THE IGNITION OFF ON THE TRUCK ***



· The apps sensor is located slightly above and a little to the left of the injection pump.



· Remove the black plastic cover that is located by your injection pump.



The two screws that are holding it are plastic, do not put any downward pressure on them or you will never get them off.

· Un do the 6 - 10 mm headed bolts that hold the bracketry in place.

(DO NOT REMOVE THE CABLES)



You will notice the apps is on the back of the bracketry that you just removed, it is held in place by 2 - 20 bit screws. These screws have a little bit of locktite on them so make sure you have a good socket and gently give a little tap with a hammer before attempting to loosen. Be very careful these screws strip very easily and you only get one shot at them.



· On the apps you will find a white tag that gives you the information on what the apps adjustment should be.



· After loosening the screws you can rotate the apps both clockwise and counter clockwise to get the adjustment you need.



· The reading you took at the beginning of the process on pin # 23 should match the white tag on your apps, if not adjust accordingly.



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The above information IS what you do.



To clarify it a little I will explain my experience.



With the air cleaner box off you will see the ECM on the firewall. There will be three plugs or connectors and the C1 connector is the closest one to the engine. I unplugged it and found that the pins are numbered. You will be testing the voltage with it connected though. I took and checked continuity between the #23 pin and orange/blue wire and then I knew I had the correct wire. My wire looked orange with black but in any case it is the only orange wire on the C1 connector.



So with the plug in and the key on take your digital meter and secure ground at the battery. Take a needle or safety pin (I have a sharpened piece of music wire) and get it into the orange/blue stripe wire. Then with your meter read the voltage. The voltage you read is coming from the apps/tps. Write this voltage down. As you adjust the apps/tps the voltage will change.



Now to access the apps/tps. It is where stated above. Mine only had one screw attaching the plactic. If you have not removed any of these plastic screws before, here is what to do because sometimes they just turn and do not come out. Take your Phillips and turn the screw. If it doesn't come out slip a small knife blade or tiny screw driver under the head of the screw and assist it in starting to come out. When you get the screw or screws removed, remove the little plastic insert it was screwed into. It will be much easier to replace the cover with those out. After the cover is in place stick the inserts back into the holes after the cover is aligned with the holes on the metal plate and insert the screw.



Ok, now you remove the cover. Just pull it away and up. It should come off easily. You will see a throttle rod, and if you have the automatic here will also be two small cables. The top cable is cruise control and bottom is for the transmission. Leave them connected a stated above. My truck had 5 10mm bolts and one Allen head bolt holding the steel plate in place. I had to use a combination of wrenches to get them out, as there is stuff in the way. I found a 10mm deep socket, and 10mm end wrench and the Allen socket was what worked for me. With the bolts removed and the plate pulled away you will see the apps/tps with the white tag and voltage written on it. Go ahead and rotate the plate 90 degrees so the sensor is up and you have good access to the screws. Where I was confused at first is I thought I had to take a voltage reading at the sensor. Not so. You will just do the adjustment there. The two #20 torx screws are tight as hell. Once you get them broke loose they still turn hard. You won't have to loosen them more than about one turn to get the sensor to move. The amount of movement you will get out of the sensor is not much. It may move 1/4 inch, that’s all. I first tried to loosen these screws with a #20 torx screw driver and could not budge them. I took a small hammer and gave them a few taps and then took a #20 torx socket on a short 3/8 drive ratchet and they came loose. Make sure you have a good, tight fitting bit or you may strip the hole in the screw, and then you would just have to put it back together without making the adjustment. Now you have them loose right. Hopefully you can have your digital meter hooked up and can watch it as you turn the senor. To increase voltage turn clockwise. I had to turn clockwise and hold it with pressure as I tighted the screws to get the 0. 441 vdc I was able to get. If I just turned it and tightened the screws I ended up with only 0. 3xx VDC. If you can get the voltage to read the same at the #23 pin wire as the value on the back of the sensor, great. If not do what I did and get it as close as you can.



Put her back together and do your test drive. Remember now that I have not driven my truck enough to know if I was successful in fixing the problem. I do personally know Bill Kondalay of Diesel Transmission Technologies and have faith in the information he offers.



Did your truck throw and codes? Did your check engine light come on? If you got the PO121 and/or PO122 that would indicate a voltage problem between the apps/tpc and ECM. If you have those codes then do the adjustment. If not read the #23 pin, orange/blue wire. If it is a lot lower than 0. 5 volts do the adjustment. If it reads in the 0. 5xx range then the problem may be somewhere else.



I hope I was able to explain this procedure satisfactorily. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.



Good Luck

Arlan
 
Dead Pedal

Thanks for the excellant response Arlan. Very detailed and I am very glad to get it. I will use it soon and it doesn't look too difficult. I appreciate the note on the places to be cautious. Great post.
 
deiselman,



Glad to help. I have 170 miles since the reset. So far no dead pedal. I am leaving for a short 600 mile round trip in the morning. Will be back Sunday. I will post findings. Hope all goes well.



Arlan
 
Dead Pedal Syndrome (DPS???)

Arlan, thanks again for your reply with the detailed instructions. I did the adjustment today, just finished trial run, ~6 miles is all but part of it at highway speed. I had no trip outs.

My presetting voltage was . 312, not as low as yours but quite low. APPS tag said should be . 581, a little higher than your tag. I was able to get it all too. I got as high as . 600 just to see if it would go there. I wound up at . 583. Like you say there is not much movement and tightening the screws changes it a little. I didn't think 2 millivolts over would be a problem. Thanks again. Oh, one pointer that stumped me momentarily, you have to remove the screw sockets during cover removal. That took me a minute to realize that was why the cover didn't want to come off. Your also right about persuading the screws out with a little force from the back of them. Tricky but works. Whole job went well.



New problem, about 2 Weeks ago my speedo started dropping to zero anytime I slowed down to less than about 22 mph. Anyone familiar with this one? As soon as speed gets back above 22 speedo returns to normal. I thought maybe adjusting the apps voltage would kill two birds with on stone but no luck. I will also make this Item a new post.
 
TPS Adjustment

I adjusted my TPS with the instructions and found that it was hard to maintain the correct voltage while tightening up the 2 TPS screws. I got it close then used the setscrew at the front of the throttle assembly to finetune it. Using the setscrew I adjusted the voltage perfect and it has maintained it so far. I also lifted the ground that comes out from under the airbox off the top of the alternator. I seem to remember that there used to be a filter kit available for that wire but I just ziptied it to the alternator bracket so it doesn't touch the alternator. Truck has been fine since but the problem I had was the torque convertor jumping in and out of lockup between 40 and 50. Has anyone else used the little setscrew to adjust the TPS?
 
Arlan,

Thanks for your very detailed post, It was easier than what you said:)



I had a reading of . 3XX and when i ajusted the TPS I was only able to get

. 569

Started the truck and got the P0121 code cleared that and it was fine for about 20 miles untill the surging came back:mad:



so now I atleast know its the TPS that is my problem and not me trans(I hope)



Any know where to get A TPS for my 99??(beside the dealer)

Or anyone have a used one??





Michael
 
I just performed the re-calibration today and I just wanted to add one thing to Arlan's post. When you get the Bellcrank turned over to adjust the APPS sensor, be careful not to move the throttle cable or the volts will change. The throttle must stay against the stop for this adjustment to be accurate. My voltage reading was . 450 and APPS listed . 584 I got it really close and it stayed that way after tightening the screw but once all bolted back together I moved the throttle and let it go back on the stop and it did not repeat real accurately. It went to about . 564 and then to . 575. I suspect this is either normal or an indication that the APPS IS bad and this is the reason the voltage was off to start with. Time will tell.

I was pulling 0122 codes and having intermitent throttle surging and twice pulled a 0121 code and had a completely dead pedal. I had tried a ground strap on the ECM and got about 20 miles. I then tried unhooking the battery cables, cleaning the connections and battery terminals, unplugged the APPS, checked voltage from the computer, applied dielectric grease, and did the reset and got 250 miles.

Time will tell. I will post my mileage and experience too as I think it is important for others like me who will read this later.
 
Perfect thread.....

Started having problems with the transmission and they sound similar to this. I did the adjustment and got the voltage exact now I get 0123 code (APPS/TPS voltage above maximum). The check engine light does NOT come on but that code comes back no matter how I adjust it.



I've heard when floored it should be 3. 87V max and it stays in that parameter.



Does anyone know if that code means over at idle or floored? I have a feeling it's an intermittent problem but not sure if the sensor is bad or a votage is being induced.



Garrett
 
Jim,



Good add!!! I never thought of that. I have just over 2,000 miles on my truck sense the addjustment and have had no more codes of dead pedal.



Arlan
 
Garrett,



Are you getting a dead pedal? It is really nothing that feels like anything your transmission might do. I read 0123 over voltage code in my manual but it wasn't an issue with me. Have you search this forum for that code and cure?



Arlan
 
Duh,

Didn't think of searching for the code. Will do.



I'm rigging the DVM so I can read it while I drive to see what the voltages are doing. I tried disconnecting the batts and doing the pedal to the floor and back and it worked for a while but then threw the code again.



I'll try and update what I find.



Garrett
 
Thanks arlan for the instructions.

I was having a hesitation under light load. My 98. 5 threw a couple of codes. P1693 and P1682. I could not really tell anything from the codes. I decided to remove the TPS/APPS and see if contact cleaner would help. After reinstalling I got the dead pedal. I did the search and found this post. It took me a while to figure out the correct wire. I have a manual trans so getting to the ECM was not an option.

From the wiring diagram I found that #3 on the connector was the data. A little slice on the insulation did the trick.

I could not adjust to the printed voltage by just moving the module. I did find that the T-20 set screw used as the stop is very good as a fine adjustment. I was able to get the output correct down to +0. 001V.

My truck seems to run better. I have only gone ~30 miles but no codes have reappeared yet. I suspect that the TPS/APPS is on borrowed time and will look for a replacement.

Another bit of information: When trying to find a DC says that have quit supplying that part. Nothing to supersede it with either.

Borg-Warner is supposed to have a replacement at at >$400.
I have an idea why DC always wants to sell the backing plate with the TPS/APPS. That way it can be pre-calibrated.
 
Similar story, a couple instances of engine stumbling/erratic idle and dead pedal, followed by "check engine" light. Codes P0500, P1693, and P0121.

I'm not sure what a trip to a garage would have cost to fix this issue, but with the above (and other) posts I easily re-adjusted, bringing the APSS from . 319 v up to the posted . 501 v written on the APSS. Total time a bit over an hour, not including the time taken to go buy an OBD reader and a few new tools.
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread!
JJ

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