Lubricity Additive Study Results

[vherner]

Check this site out. May be of some value to those are having troubles with the pre 07 diesels. Hope its not to late.



Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place

 

[Heavyweight]

Stay away from Primrose...

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Very interesting and revealing - will strongly influence my future fuel treatment! Oo.

 

[dlmartin]

I don't know why people feel it necessary to buy various "snake" oils, whether it be fuel or oil additives. It's obvious all the engine manufacturers know what the industry and EPA standards are for fuel and oil are, and have to manufacture products that will operate under those parameters. I have operated diesels for 40 years with great longivity and have never bought any additives. At the current price of diesel fuel you especially don't need to be buying any unnecessary additives to fix a problem these new engines don't have.

 

[Cal Brewin]

I have been using a 10-15% bio-diesel blend (using B99 bio) partly for its lubricating properties, and the engine runs quieter with the bio in there. (higher cetane rating). I have read that the lubricating property gains are made up to around a 5% bio blend, you can run a higher concentration, but you will not get anymore improvement over the 5% blend. I run the higher concentration in case I can't make it to where I get the Bio, a regular fill will still have a good enough bio mix to continue lubricating.

 

[Regcabguy]

I don't know why people feel it necessary to buy various "snake" oils, whether it be fuel or oil additives. It's obvious all the engine manufacturers know what the industry and EPA standards are for fuel and oil are, and have to manufacture products that will operate under those parameters. I have operated diesels for 40 years with great longivity and have never bought any additives. At the current price of diesel fuel you especially don't need to be buying any unnecessary additives to fix a problem these new engines don't have.

I work for the school system here in San Diego. Speaking to the top diesel tech here,he cannot remember a single fuel quality related problem to any vehicle here. We're talking Internationals,Hino's,Isuzu's,Cats etc. He has literally hundreds of diesel vehicles(mostly late model,aside from our Hino's & Isuzus) that he's responsible for. A fair amount of sensor problems,but nothing fuel related he can put his finger on. That being said,I'll keep using Standyne. P. S. We do have state mandated, recently installed and constantly re-checked underground tanks,and a tanker-a-day diesel habit assuring fresh supplies.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I work for the school system here in San Diego. Speaking to the top diesel tech here,he cannot remember a single fuel quality related problem to any vehicle here. We're talking Internationals,Hino's,Isuzu's,Cats etc. He has literally hundreds of diesel vehicles(mostly late model,aside from our Hino's & Isuzus) that he's responsible for. A fair amount of sensor problems,but nothing fuel related he can put his finger on. That being said,I'll keep using Standyne. P. S. We do have state mandated, recently installed and constantly re-checked underground tanks,and a tanker-a-day diesel habit assuring fresh supplies.

BOB - here on this website, I think most of us VP-44 owners are interested/concerned in what the new fuels might be doing to our injection pumps - not too concerned about Hinos, Cats or the rest - nor do we have the deep pockets and relatively quick vehicle turnover of the school systems in San Diego...



Here on TDR, we HAVE seen, and heard reports from the Bosch rebuilders that low lubricity fuels ARE something to be concerned about - and a few of the leading rebuilders ARE recommending use of fuel additives to improve fuel lubricity and extend pump life - they are pretty much "experts" too - and I, for one, will take THEIR recommendations where my VP-44 is concerned, over a distant "top diesel tech" out in the San Diego school district who might NOT be seeing quite as many failed pumps as Industrial Injection or Blue Chip!



Dmartin sez:

It's obvious all the engine manufacturers know what the industry and EPA standards are for fuel and oil are, and have to manufacture products that will operate under those parameters.

HEY, that's great - believe what you wish as to what the kindly and concerned engine makers and EPA have in mind as far as watching out for us peon vehicle owners - but UNTIL *THEY* step up to pay for my vehicles and maintenance - plus repairs - I'll continue to treat my fuel the best I can to elevate it's lubricating quality! :-laf

 

[Yo Hoot]

I have been using Primrose 405 for 6 years and not had one fuel system problem... ... . all in HPCR Bosch injection systems. I believe it has helped my trucks injection systems stay trouble free.

Additives, Diesel Fuel & Gasoline

 

[Hitec.Redneck]

Excellent test with some interesting results.

 

[05mxdiesel]

I can't belive lucas ucl was so low on the list, since its use is primary for lube. I use it in everything and it seems to work fairly well in all engines I've put it into.

 

[tgordon]

I tend to agree with Larry. In MI they just started putting the ULSD into the pumps and at the tractor dealership we pulled about one per month to ge rebuilt. They are all from guys who ran on-road fuel in these tractors. I asked the place rebuilding the pumps and they said there is a new lubricity spec that is lower than before, an ddoes not provide the lubricity manufacturers want.



On the other hand in some Stanadyne literature I have they also talk about running a B5 blend for the lubricity of the biodiesel.



IMHO with my P pump it might take a while for the problems to show, especially compared to the VP pump, but I figure it is way cheaper to get the lubricity than it is to buy a new pump.



Troy

 

[rbattelle]

An interesting test, if the test method was performed properly. What was the test method? ASTM D6079-97? They never say.

Confirms my belief that B2 is enough to replace the lost lubricity from ULSD.

The Opti-Lube products sure look nice.

Ryan

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Sure wish they would've tested the TDR blend of Amalgamated, that's what I use. Not surprised Power Service isn't very high on the list but at least it's better than nothing.

 

[JJPage]

Think I will stick with "Super Tech" Walmart 2 cycle oil. My injectors have never been quieter, mpg's are consistent, and it is cheap!



You cannot argue with success:-laf, Well, I guess you can, let's here it!

 

[DeezelDood]

Check this site out. May be of some value to those are having troubles with the pre 07 diesels. Hope its not to late.



Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place

Monitoring a Duramax website is looking pretty smart. I have been using Stanadyne based on tesitimonials in TDR. The Stanadyne website has MSDS for all of their products, and a side by side comparison of the four products as as well. It looks like something called "Stoddard solvent" is the lubricity improver. The PF has about half of this ingredient compared with the Lubricty formula. What really caught my eye was the Stanadyne product description sheet (#99727). It is dated 4/02. The graph for the HFFR test indicates a wear scar of about 320. I could not find any reference to ULSD. I supect that this data was compiled with LSD. I'd like to see Stanadyne post updated data that uses ULSD. I still think the PF is a good product, with a lot of benefits, but Stanadyne is being a bit dishonest by indicating lubricity improvement that does not apply when using ULSD. In my view, and its my money, improving lubricity is important. I'll be looking at stacking my treatment with Lubricity formula or Junior. I might also give the Opti Lube a look.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Think I will stick with "Super Tech" Walmart 2 cycle oil. My injectors have never been quieter, mpg's are consistent, and it is cheap!



You cannot argue with success:-laf, Well, I guess you can, let's here it!

YUP - I've been using a blend of PS with Pennzoil semi-synthetic ashless marine 2-stroke outboard oil - dunno if the combination of the 2 is additive in wear protection or not, but it seems like I'd better put more faith in the 2-stroke oil, and less in the PS! :-laf

 

[FourBarR]

I dont know about all these studies and the results they show. very confusing. I have been using mmo and howes meaner for 9 years ,now have 455,800kms on original vp-44. what does that say about the rating for these products? I think I will keep using these in light of the results thus far.

 

[Heavyweight]

MMO always worked in gas engines. Great detergent, but not sure about the lubricating ability. I am not going to run in my truck no more, regardless.



Gary, I am with you on the Power Service. I will switch to Walmart brand 2 stroke oil. Cheap and no worries... Hopefully someone will not come out with another test and have my worry!!!!???

 

[JWashburn]

I was surprised to see the standing of 2% biodiesel. As it turns out my bulk supplier handles both bio and dino, and puts 2% bio in his dino #2.

In addition, he is running 100% bio in his delivery trucks this summer to see the the results. He made no mods to his delivery trucks before starting the test.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I was surprised to see the standing of 2% biodiesel. As it turns out my bulk supplier handles both bio and dino, and puts 2% bio in his dino #2.



In addition, he is running 100% bio in his delivery trucks this summer to see the the results. He made no mods to his delivery trucks before starting the test.

HMMMmm - I'm wondering about the possibility of ordering a 50 gallon drum of 100% bio thru the local distributor, and then mixing it at a 2-5% ratio with regular ULSD - probably cheaper in the long run than the mix of stuff I'm running now - AND more lubricity to boot!