Lubricity Additive Study Results

[JWashburn]

I'm running Amalgamated's TDR formula as well as the 2% bio. Now I guess I can back off on the Amalgamated.

Edit: On second thought there's more than lubricity additive in Amalgamated, so I guess I'll keep using it for its other benefits.

 

[Cal Brewin]

HMMMmm - I'm wondering about the possibility of ordering a 50 gallon drum of 100% bio thru the local distributor, and then mixing it at a 2-5% ratio with regular ULSD - probably cheaper in the long run than the mix of stuff I'm running now - AND more lubricity to boot!

Exactly! My bio distributer sells it comparatively priced to dino diesel. So I mix it at the station(few gals of bio, pull over to dino pump) and it is like not paying for additives at all, as the bio is the fuel, same as dino.

 

[JWashburn]

You can certainly get a drum of bio, and mix appropriate quantities. Be sure to keep it in a warm place. Its gel point is around 32 F.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

You can certainly get a drum of bio, and mix appropriate quantities. Be sure to keep it in a warm place. Its gel point is around 32 F.

I had checked with the local oil/fuel distributor a couple of years back, and at that time as I recall, he needed a 3 drum order minimum, and then would pick up the Bio in Portland on his monthly trip - the price was pretty hefty at that time, so I passed on it. As I understand it, there are one or more stations in the Portland area now selling BioDiesel at their pumps, not sure what concentration, but if 100% bio was available, it might be worth taking an empty drum of my own to fill and bring back on some future trip up that way - it's about 250 miles from here...

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Just did an Internet search on biodiesel distributors - found some good ones in my state - Oregon - and here's a pointer to info for other states:



Biodiesel.org - Guide to Buying Biodiesel



With the excellent lubricity benefits of biodiesel even down at 2% dilution, it looks better than stuff like Power Service that sells for close to $15 a gallon!



I realize there are other claimed benefits from additives like PS - but my own interest pretty much settles purely on lubricity - so the bio would take care of my own expectations quite nicely - AND cheaper as well...

 

[RWPor]

lubrication study

Can I use 2 cycle oil in 2007 5. 9l cummins the study on diesel power said it may harm 2007 and later engines. Were they referring to the 6. 7l?

thanks

 

[rbattelle]

Can I use 2 cycle oil in 2007 5. 9l cummins the study on diesel power said it may harm 2007 and later engines. Were they referring to the 6. 7l?

They're probably referring to the danger of soot clogging the DPF. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think even ashless 2-stroke oil will produce a little soot when burned.



Ryan

 

[Cal Brewin]

You may find B99 bio diesel such as what I get from my local bio distributor. There is a tax incentive for the bio diesel distributors of $1. 00 per gal for every gal of bio blended with dino diesel. Thus if you blend 99 gal of bio with 1gal dino(B99), $99 tax break, B20 gives a $20 tax break, B100, no tax break. That is why so far B99 is all I see around here.

 

[Dieselnerd]

All the diesel sold here in Minnesota is state mandated at 2% biodiesel. I don't use an additive as long as I'm here but I do when I travel out of state.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

You may find B99 bio diesel such as what I get from my local bio distributor. There is a tax incentive for the bio diesel distributors of $1. 00 per gal for every gal of bio blended with dino diesel. Thus if you blend 99 gal of bio with 1gal dino(B99), $99 tax break, B20 gives a $20 tax break, B100, no tax break. That is why so far B99 is all I see around here.

AH!, I wondered why distributors would bother with B99 rather than going to B100, sorta figured there was some devious underlying reason... :-laf:-laf



All I have located anywhere near me is the B99 stuff, and THAT is 125 miles away in Bend Oregon. Will pick some up next trip over that way...

 

[RWPor]

thanks for your response, I am giving it a try, anything I should watch for.

 

[sms124]

Has anyone tried the fleetguard product FS20000 as a 3-5 micron filter and lubricity filter all in one. Unique filter threads and $50. 00 filter but solves two issues at once and lasts 6 months or 250 hours

 

[Heavyweight]

Remember, the test ran the 2 stroke oil at a ratio of 200:1 for a 26 gallon tank (16 ounces). Our trucks hold 34 to 35 gallons so you will need to run 22 ounces of 2 stoke oil to make 200:1 ratio.

 

[R C Cola]

Additive question ?

Hoping someone will be experienced on this. . I read the test by Spicer and learned a lot. How good do you all think the results are ? I have ran quite a bit of Lucas, uh, oh . Most of the time I run Walmart brand soy cooking oil at about 10 oz/20 gal ratio. I did a test a while back and filled the fuel filter with the soy straight and the truck ran just fine as it went thru sounded and smelled good. Did the same test with straight auto trans fluid and it ran fine also but did not smell as good. "" The Question "" Is the bio-diesel mentioned in the spicer test oilier (slicker) or less so than the soy cooking oil I am using ? If it is the same I just need to up the ratio to get the desired results. If it is not as oiley I will have to figure out what ratio to use. Been runnin the soy now for about 250k, no ill effects so far.

 

[rbattelle]

Is the bio-diesel mentioned in the spicer test oilier (slicker) or less so than the soy cooking oil I am using ?

I have no data to back it up, but my intuition tells me the cooling oil is quite a bit higher lubricity than biodiesel.



If it's working for you, at 250k miles I wouldn't change a thing.



Ryan

 

[viper700]

On reading the "lubricity additive study results " and the comments on the last 3 pages of this thread would it be safe to ASSUME (a dangerous word I know) can I safely use any 2 stroke TC-W3 oil in the tank?? As long as it would be a high quality 2 stroke such as Castrol and Syn-Jex. I don't know how Wally's oil compares other than being cheaper. The last one is a "real" low ash oil for 2 strokes with the power valves. Any one that has run a snowmachine with the power valves knows that low ash "they claim" will still gum up the power valves after a while. The information on the ULSD and the low lubricity of the fuels has been real interesting reading.



Joe B

 

[DeezelDood]

Hoping someone will be experienced on this. . I read the test by Spicer and learned a lot. How good do you all think the results are ? I have ran quite a bit of Lucas, uh, oh . Most of the time I run Walmart brand soy cooking oil at about 10 oz/20 gal ratio. I did a test a while back and filled the fuel filter with the soy straight and the truck ran just fine as it went thru sounded and smelled good. Did the same test with straight auto trans fluid and it ran fine also but did not smell as good. "" The Question "" Is the bio-diesel mentioned in the spicer test oilier (slicker) or less so than the soy cooking oil I am using ? If it is the same I just need to up the ratio to get the desired results. If it is not as oiley I will have to figure out what ratio to use. Been runnin the soy now for about 250k, no ill effects so far.

I too was amazed by Spicer's report. I recommend that you visit one of the biodiesel websites. Some of them have descriptions on how biodiesel is made. The long and short of this is that the process removes glycerin and impurities. I don't know if glycerin lubricates but I don't want it in my engine. I just bought my first 5-gallon jug of B99. I mixed in a pint of my remaining Stanadyne PF (can't hurt) and a put a gallon of bio in my tank at fill-up. I'll probably switch to PS Diesel Kleen and add some to the bio jug for anti-gel etc. The first thing I noticed is that the tank took more than before. I hand calculated my mileage and it was 2 mpg lower than normal. What gives? The bio must have reduced the foaming. The ovhd computer mileage looks to be higher, I'll see what my hand calc does over few tanks.

 

[RWPor]

125 miles

AH!, I wondered why distributors would bother with B99 rather than going to B100, sorta figured there was some devious underlying reason... :-laf:-laf



All I have located anywhere near me is the B99 stuff, and THAT is 125 miles away in Bend Oregon. Will pick some up next trip over that way...

Check out the sequential bio web site they list all there ststions in Oregon, also all stations in Portland have a minium of 5 % bio

 

[RWPor]

Hoping someone will be experienced on this. . I read the test by Spicer and learned a lot. How good do you all think the results are ? I have ran quite a bit of Lucas, uh, oh . Most of the time I run Walmart brand soy cooking oil at about 10 oz/20 gal ratio. I did a test a while back and filled the fuel filter with the soy straight and the truck ran just fine as it went thru sounded and smelled good. Did the same test with straight auto trans fluid and it ran fine also but did not smell as good. "" The Question "" Is the bio-diesel mentioned in the spicer test oilier (slicker) or less so than the soy cooking oil I am using ? If it is the same I just need to up the ratio to get the desired results. If it is not as oiley I will have to figure out what ratio to use. Been runnin the soy now for about 250k, no ill effects so far.

Check the post on diesel truck resource they ran some test with Bio again number 1 in lubrication they have included a copy of test page.

 

[RHestand]

I too was amazed by Spicer's report. I recommend that you visit one of the biodiesel websites. Some of them have descriptions on how biodiesel is made. The long and short of this is that the process removes glycerin and impurities. I don't know if glycerin lubricates but I don't want it in my engine. I just bought my first 5-gallon jug of B99. I mixed in a pint of my remaining Stanadyne PF (can't hurt) and a put a gallon of bio in my tank at fill-up. I'll probably switch to PS Diesel Kleen and add some to the bio jug for anti-gel etc. The first thing I noticed is that the tank took more than before. I hand calculated my mileage and it was 2 mpg lower than normal. What gives? The bio must have reduced the foaming. The ovhd computer mileage looks to be higher, I'll see what my hand calc does over few tanks.

I was also surprised that it filled to the top of the fill-neck with no foam. ( I put in about 12 gals. of B-99. )

I have the after market fuel vent installed, but I still usually have to add the last 1/2 to 1 gal. of dino. diesel very slowly because of foam.

Also I had previously bought a 1/2 gal. of Marvel Mystery Oil to use as a fuel additive, but after reading the test results I"ll just be using it in my oil squirt cans,I guess

I love that I"m able to get this kind of test info. off this website. Thanks TDR.

Ray