Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) FINALLY!!!! Some one puts an end to Carter!!

[MAV1]

Oo. Take heart 24 valve 2nd gen Ram fans. Someone has finally come out with an affordable viable very high quality oem lift pump replacement for our trucks. The pump, made by Airtex, part number E7153 is a gerotor pump, not rotary vane as the Carter, and is a direct replacement for the oe Carter pos pump. My local Advance Auto Parts store keeps it in stock, has a one year free replacement warranty, and sells for $159. 98. See partsamerica.com, plug in your truck, click on fuel pumps. It has one caveat, it can't be used in a relocated place. This pump does away with one of the banjo fittings, on the inlet side, and requires connecting the fuel line using the oe quick connect. For more information and a picture of the new pump, with data from Airtex, see this link-[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Technical Resources scroll down and click on [/FONT][/FONT]Fuel Pump Design for Dodge/Cummins Diesel Applications I relocated my lift pump using a Vulcan Performance big line relocation kit last summer and I am tempted to go back to stock so I may use this pump. I, like everyone else am tired of throwing (7) pos Carters at my truck. Before you flame me, let it be said I am well aware of the various other "fixes" i. e. , FASS, AirDog, Holley, Mallory, BD and etc etc. To those that have used them and are happy with them, I applaud you. I just don't feel that I should have to spend 6 to $700 to correct what Daimler/Chrysler fubar'd from the get go. It's bad enough that I had to eat a VP44 IP because of a failed PSG. Truck didn't have very many miles! As I have stated before, if I had the bucks, I would institute a class action lawsuit against Daimler/Chrysler for the pos fuel system on the 2nd gen 24V trucks. Anyway, as an aside, I have e-mailed Airtex Corp. , and asked if a twin to this pump, utilizing 3/8" NPT inlet and outlet ports is, or can be made available for those of us that have relocated the oe pump. As soon as I hear from Airtex, I will post additionally with info.
Ram on Ram fans

P. S. The first 4 were warranty replacement, next 3 were the $70 campaign pump. Flame on

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

You've piqued my interest so I did some looking, it looks like Advanced Auto wants 241. 99 when you check on line. Here are the prices I found for the Airtex:



Advance Auto 241. 99



Rock Auto 151. 89



E-Bay 127. 99



It looks like the number has come up before but nobody had ever pointed out that it was a completely different pump, I would like to see one to see if the factory connector end could be srcewed out????? Nice Work

 

[rweis]

The Airtex site did not have any specs. What is the flow rate etc? If it is still going to flow marginally sufficient fuel to feed the VP44 under the least demanding conditions then the differences diminish rapidly.



As a standby pump possibly, but again what if the standby pump has to perform during towing through mountains? Under standby operations I can see minimizing the demans, but it would still have to be able to meet minimum demands.



I am looking for a standby pump for my RASP, but I still do not want to trash a $xxxx VP44 for the difference between this $xxx pump and a $xxx Glacier 392.



Proven performance is still the measurement stick.



Bob Weis

 

[MAV1]

yabada yabada yabada

Bob, did you read through and digest either link?! I would not have posted if it were not for increased flow and etc! I personally inspected one of the mentioned pumps. Much larger and beefier. Ya spent all the bucks and still aint comfy with a Rasp. That explains it! :{ As I said, "for those of us that want a direct replacement"!

 

[AndyMan]

I read through both links, searched their site, and searched via Google for more information. While it does look like a great replacement, there are still no specs listed.



I run a full FASS setup (and am completely satisfied with it), but I still keep track of all other offerings so that I can make informed recomendations to friends, other TDR members, and people I may run into that are looking for a solution.



I appreciate your posting the information regarding this new solution. I hope that we can get some hard specs for it, because it does look very promising.

 

[mhenon]

Why can't it be relocated to the frame just like the Carter? Might take a few extra fuel line fittings, but I don't see anything to prevent relocating this pump.

Mike

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Proven performance is still the measurement stick.



Bob Weis

ABSOLUTELY!



If I had a buck for every "new and wonderful" replacement LP as gleefully shouted by another new enraptured convert to the latest "ends all" substitute, it would PAY for all the various mods I have done to my own fuel system!



Instead, while there HAVE been improvements in aftermarket LP substitutes, virtually ALL of them continue to show their own percentages of premature and unexpected failures - and only time and miles across a reasonably large user base will reveal if this will be a good replacement, or just another so-so exercise in futility! :-laf:-laf

 

[Allnew2Me]

I wasn't happy about having to spend anything to get rid of the problem once and for all, but I did and I hope I am past any problems. As Gary said, they all fail at some point so I came up with this setup, https://www.turbodieselregister.com...002/190424-no-more-lift-pump-troubles-me.html to allow me to never be stuck anywhere. That new pump looks fine but how long will it last? I have the attitude now that all electric pumps for our trucks are not going to be a long-term fix so I just made sure that I won't be changing mine anywhere I don't want to.

 

[DNewell]

Wow, MAV1 appears to be flaming this thread... Yeah, I checked around on the website, and no data on flow rates, PSI capabilities, nor projected lifespan. Personally, I'll keep warrantying the Carter through NAPA and if it gets to a point where they won't warranty it any longer, I'll get the Glacier Diesel setup. Richard is local with the company, so I can drive right over and get parts.

 

[rweis]

Okey, Dokey,



Mav1 POST THE SPECS! If you are so darn sure of this pump.



MAV1 read my post, it cearly says "standby pump for my RASP" which means a automatic secondary pump IF anything should happen to the mechanical RASP. The RASP has a 5 year warrantee and what warrantee does the Airtex, part number E7153 have?



MAV1 you are sooooo hot about this new pump, what about the Walbro GSL 392's 255 lph all over EBay at $109. 99 including inlet and outlet kits. A proven performer at $109. 99 vs your unproven performer at $159. 98.



Summary:



No specs, no proof, no installations, sloppy reading of post, 45% over priced for zero apparent increased quality or ability.



Maybe you can clearly show / demonstrate / prove that this Airtex, part number E7153 is superior to the Walbro 392 255 lph.



That puts the ball in your court.



"Proven performance is still the measurement stick. "



Bob Weis

 

[DWeiler]

ABSOLUTELY!

If I had a buck for every "new and wonderful" replacement LP as gleefully shouted by another new enraptured convert to the latest "ends all" substitute, it would PAY for all the various mods I have done to my own fuel system!

Instead, while there HAVE been improvements in aftermarket LP substitutes, virtually ALL of them continue to show their own percentages of premature and unexpected failures - and only time and miles across a reasonably large user base will reveal if this will be a good replacement, or just another so-so exercise in futility! :-laf:-laf

Agree with Gary---after 2 Carters dying,2 racing pumps(Product Engineering-suppost to be the big fix--YEAH RIGHT)1 Fass quit,replacement became noisier than my ride. I finally tried/settled on Airdog---so far it has lasted longer than any of the 6 pumps that have been on my truck. I believe in tried and tested and i' m sure there will be some nay sayers about the Airdog but so far this it working for about 3 1/2 years. Hope this new pump works out for you and lasts forever. Lets just hope its just not another flavor of the month and dies like the others. My 2 cents---no flame war intended. GOODLUCK. DW

 

[benhall]

I'll stick with my stock LP relocated to the back. At least I know I can find these pumps almost anywhere.



Ben

 

[willyslover]

a cam and 12 valve lift pump is a real nice cure ... less than a lot of folks have spent on these damn things. .
been running one for almost 2 years and not a lick of problems since the change
sorry just had to say it LOL

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

a cam and 12 valve lift pump is a real nice cure ... less than a lot of folks have spent on these damn things. .

been running one for almost 2 years and not a lick of problems since the change

sorry just had to say it LOL

The mechanicals sure are hard to beat for reliability, but I've never seen the flow/PSI ratings on one - undoubtedly more than adequate for a VP-44. My own OEM LP and added Carter pusher were operating just fine after over 50K miles, when I installed a Walbro GSL-392 as an experiment - it's doing just fine as well, with over 5K miles on it.



It's real strange why SOME guys have failure after failure with the OEM Carters, while others seen to run forever - never been able to determine if it's a climate or specific geographical area issue...

 

[BTighe]

dang! he beat me to it. probably not worth it if your not modding though.

 

[BTighe]

a cam and 12 valve lift pump is a real nice cure ... less than a lot of folks have spent on these damn things. .

been running one for almost 2 years and not a lick of problems since the change

sorry just had to say it LOL

what kind of pressure are you seeing with that set up?

 

[2broke2smoke]

It's real strange why SOME guys have failure after failure with the OEM Carters, while others seen to run forever - never been able to determine if it's a climate or specific geographical area issue...

couldn't agree more ... my first carter went 90k, put on a wildcat big line kit and the second started loosing pressure at last week at 160k ...



moved it to the back and bolted up a 70$ campaign pump and i'm riding around with 15-16 psi at idle and 13-14 at cruise



stock pump is available anywhere and a 10 minute change out (now) i'm just gonna stick with it ...



another "this is the solution" pump ...



i'd like to see some specs

 

[MAV1]

I've looked and looked and looked and I can't find anywhere I said ANYTHING was an end all. I simply, merely said that the Carter manufactured lift pump has been outdone, i. e. , somebody finally made a better mouse trap. For "an oe direct replacement". I didn't say it would out perform a FASS, a RASP or anything else, other than I believe the statements on Airtex's website to be true. Airtex Co. is a proven company, with the exception of a certain few repackaged products. "The newly designed Airtex E7153 fuel pump offers improved performance over the OEM pump with quieter operation, increased
flow, and tolerance for contamination.
Using proven state-of-the-art fuel pump technology, Airtex offers a
solution that reduces failure and replacement rates with a modern fuel
pump that is quiet and improves performance/reliability when
compared COMPARED to the OEM-style fuel pump.
With a unique mounting bracket, the Airtex unit is a direct replacement. " Matter of fact, I acknowledged most of the others, and in a round about way, tipped my hat to them.
It has been stated on this forum by those that know, an oem Carter will sustain horsepower up to about 350 RW HP, given it is functioning properly, pressure and volume. Suits my needs. I was merely trying to present information heretofore unknown and share for the benefit of others. I rarely if ever post and do not do so unless I feel I have something to offer. As usual, those cliquey, self centered, self appointed mega-posters have to jump on and tear something down. "HOW DARE SOMEONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY" I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not. I expected as much from motor posters rweis and gary - k7gld. 8000+ posts and counting. Get a life! gary - k7gld, you don't know me, you've never met me or spoken to me, you know nothing about me and you're going to hurl a war of words?! I caution you. Two can play that game, and trust me, you don't know squat about vocabulary.
You two are gang busters about "Proven performance is still the measurement stick. " No sh*^! I didn't know that! I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is the other products/fixes were born proven.

I simply said, there is a better mouse trap for those so inclined to stay oe and want a better pump! Until someone comes up with an alternative that is as cost effective, and still retains the stock filter housing with heat and water in fuel warning, or can/will provide same at their expense, I'm gonna run my truck so I can effect repairs anywhere, anytime by anyone, and I'm not going to have a several hundred dollar system in reserve to do it. I have better places to spend/invest my money.

In my original post I stated the new E7153 pump is a gerotor. Airtex has since told me it is a roller vane. Sorry for the mix up. Airtex wrote me back and advised that the engineering department is going to look into making a 3/8" NPT ported pump available.

In closing, I will say two things; 1. ) there are those less affluent that could benefit from this new pump. More than likely fit their needs, last much longer and have much less frequent failures. 2. ) I've had enough of being drawn down to this pencil di*^ level. To each his own.

Semper Fi

To those feeling fallout or whatever, I apologize. I for one am just tired of the usual know it alls bashing.

 

[DWeiler]

My first 2 Carter's died within a month of being installed,the first failure left left me on the side of the road one night for 4+hours. The second i put a by-pass around it just in case it died again. ---Sure enough out hunting with my dad after dropping a 4 point buck,gut it,jump in the truck to head home and no fuel pressure,turn the valve and drove home on the OEM pump(9PSI). I sure am thankful for the bypass cause the stock OEM pump would not suck fuel through the carter---and i was back in "GOD"s country when it happened. #@$%!#@$%!#@$%!. DW

 

[DWeiler]

Any idea what pressure this new pump will be putting out---sorry if i missed it in the earlier post????