Toyota Tundra HD Diesel

[JasonCzerak]

Fat cat's at the top?? Well let's see for example GM employs about 284,000 people, the CEO G. Richard Wagoner, Jr (if that link isn't enough here's another)got paid 40. 7 million over a 3 year period. Now lets do the math $40. 7m divided by 3 years is 13. 6m per year divided by 284,000 people is less than $50. 00 per employee per year. Your right those "Fat cat's" at the top are just killing the company. Lets ignore the fact that every single employee that is currently working for GM is footing the bill for 2. 5 retired workers. Here is a good article if your interested to find out what's really killing them. Not that SOME CEO's are not overpaid but to take a socialist view on what you think is a fair wage for someone who has obviously put in years of hard work and risk to get where they are is unfair. Who's going to take the risk and stress of running a large company (and yes someone has to be on top) if there isn't any reward for doing it? Honestly how many people would go to medical school if the pay wasn't any better than the guy mopping the floor?

If you are in a union in a hospital, you can mop a few halls and get paid better and have better/less hours then doctors tho... ... :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[TowRig]

Hey guys, just got back from SEMA and posted a few more pics of this thing: 1 Ton Tundra Diesel concept - TowRig Forums

 

[Grizzly]

I guess blackbear didn't realize he was going stir up a hornet's nest with his Post #52.

 

[JFaulkner]

I guess blackbear didn't realize he was going stir up a hornet's nest with his Post #52.

No doubt. If you don't like the truck thats fine, but you'd better have a better reason than "they're built by non union workers" or I'm going to call you out on it.



I liked it personally. I feel that anyone who steps up to the plate just adds competition and keeps the brand you do like on their toes. Some people fail to realize or just plain don't know what the term "prototype" means so I'll help out.



proto·type· (prōt′ə tīp′)



noun



1. the first thing or being of its kind; original; model; pattern; archetype

2. a person or thing that serves as a model for one of a later period

3. a full-scale, operational model, used for demonstration or testing, that incorporates a new design or features



That truck is just a medium duty Hino with a molested toyota truck body. Funny thing is if Dodge had made a truck the same way there would be people on here trying to sell their kids to get one. 8L diesel with a 5sp Eaton transmission. However some are so brand loyal (stupidly) they can't see past their noses.

 

[JFaulkner]

Here are a few that I took.

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[Cattletrkr]

I think a lot of the stuff on that truck is just thrown out there to see what sticks.

Here's what I like in no particular order:

1. big tires for a 1 ton. yeah they're overkill, but it's better than undersized
2. I6
3. Eaton transmission
4. Functional bullbar/brush guard
5. Diamond plate bed
6. The mirrors look very user friendly
7. Bilstein Shocks
8. 4. 5" Exhaust

And what I don't like

1. Fallic shifter handle.
2. Interior color. Never been a big fan of brown/tan interiors
3. Taillights
4. Brushed metal everywhere. it looks like it should shine, but doesn't. I'm a sucker for shiny things

 

[Grizzly]

No doubt. If you don't like the truck thats fine, but you'd better have a better reason than "they're built by non union workers" or I'm going to call you out on it.

I liked it personally. I feel that anyone who steps up to the plate just adds competition and keeps the brand you do like on their toes. Some people fail to realize or just plain don't know what the term "prototype" means so I'll help out.

proto·type· (prōt′ə tīp′)

noun

1. the first thing or being of its kind; original; model; pattern; archetype

2. a person or thing that serves as a model for one of a later period

3. a full-scale, operational model, used for demonstration or testing, that incorporates a new design or features

That truck is just a medium duty Hino with a molested toyota truck body. Funny thing is if Dodge had made a truck the same way there would be people on here trying to sell their kids to get one. 8L diesel with a 5sp Eaton transmission. However some are so brand loyal (stupidly) they can't see past their noses.

I do like it, but I would never have a short bed. Maybe by the time they go into production they'll have a long bed. I still like my Dodge better.

 

[DCreed]

Can a REAL tow rig sit THAT high?
I do like the power drop-down rear wimdow!

 

[GHarman]

My favorite as to why unions are crap:



I'm not trying to down any trades as "inferior" to others however, there are some difference between a senior systems architect for a major (one of the biggest) IT consulting company and someone who's part of a union and his job is to empty trash cans.



The topics come up about boats and how this guy owns a speed boat... ..... Wait what? you own a cigarette boat?



It's not the job of A "janitor" is all that much of a hazard, however, this guy (and mind you this was maybe 6 years ago when this took place) was making over 6 figures... .

Sorry Bud, You agreed to work for those wages! The Janitor agreed to a collective bargaining agreement with lots of overtime! You can do that to! Presently, however, you are the prisoner of your choice. GregH

 

[GHarman]

so? All the better in my mind. I find unions are the major reason why its just tooooo expensive to build anything in this country. I am in the construction trade, and am selfemployed and REFUSE to join any union... Yet, there are jobsites that I have been on that there are other union boys working, and they are down right hostile and rude to me, do less work, take more breaks, and seriously work half speed as my brother and I, and get paid more. Now, you tell me how that helps this country? Unions had thier place many years ago, they are now not needed and a major drain on this economy. Sorry, but for some of these auto workers that turn bolts for a living to make 70 bucks an hour is rediculas! Especially when the products they turn out are still sub par.

I dont want to hijack this thread! That being said, You are wrong in characterizing Union workers as over paid sub par labor. There are certainly abuses everywhere, both Union and non-union. A Union shop that does not police itself is doing a disservice to collective bargaining. I have worked Union, non-union and management over 4 decades. Most Union jobs were strictly policed. No malingering and no sloppy work! Would you go to school for 4 years, working and taking classes to graduate and accept the first and lowest paying job offer? NOT! Collective bargaining is a Capitalistic concept taken to its best outcome for the worker. If You design a widget and sell millions of them for $XXXXXXXXXX per year of income and you require my trained eye and hand to manufacture them, why should I not be able to get what ever the market will bear for my skills and time? Remember, your wages are an indirect reflection of Union Collective bargaining elsewhere. Believe it or not. Compare wages in your trade in a right to work State and a Pro-Union State. You will find that the non-union wages in the Pro-Union State will be higher than the wages for the same service in the right to work state. Furthemore, Training in a union apprenticeship is far more intense and backed by "on the job", "hands on" reenforcement.

One other point. If moving assembly to Mexico has`saved so much in wages by using non union labor, Why has the cost of a vehicle manufactured/assembled in Mexico not reflected that savings? Where is the retail cost differential? I see only the same sticker prices on similar vehicles that were manufactured /assembled both here and abroad. GregH

 

[DCreed]

We need to move this thread to "politics" and continue on that ,or get back to the ugly toyota! :-laf

 

[AKaiser]

8 litre? Holy crap.

Puts it right in the DT466 range. That's a lot of motor for a ton truck. Sounds like an engine for a truck in the 2 to 5 ton range.

 

[AKaiser]

One other point. If moving assembly to Mexico has`saved so much in wages by using non union labor, Why has the cost of a vehicle manufactured/assembled in Mexico not reflected that savings? Where is the retail cost differential? I see only the same sticker prices on similar vehicles that were manufactured /assembled both here and abroad. GregH

Not wanting to continue this thread hijack, but if GM, Ford and Chrysler are going to be competitive, they actually have to make money. Why would moving to Mexico logically presume a retail market price reduction? Especially when steel and transportation costs on the upswing the last 7years. Obviously, with all the recent flurry of labor concessions to keep their employers afloat (IOW profitable) I would assume labor would understand the lack of correlation between changing to a reduced input cost environment (Mexico) from a higher cost one (U. S. ) If big labor wants to keep it's membership employed, something has to give.

 

[Grizzly]

We need to move this thread to "politics" and continue on that ,or get back to the ugly toyota! :-laf

I don't think it's ugly. I think the 08 Super Duty Ferd is ugly.

 

[JFaulkner]

I think the 08 Super Duty Ferd is ugly.

I did at first also but they're kinda growing on me, especially the modded ones (wheels, lift). Now if I could just order one without an engine and trans.

 

[16919]

ok, not to get toooo distasteful here... . but am I the only one that thought the shifter in video looked like... ... . well you tell me.

might as well put balls on it... ... .

 

[rbattelle]

Another interesting Tundra vs. F-150 comparison:
YouTube - Ford F150 vs Toyota Tundra - Frame Strength

Ryan

 

[GHarman]

Not wanting to continue this thread hijack, but if GM, Ford and Chrysler are going to be competitive, they actually have to make money. Why would moving to Mexico logically presume a retail market price reduction? Especially when steel and transportation costs on the upswing the last 7years. Obviously, with all the recent flurry of labor concessions to keep their employers afloat (IOW profitable) I would assume labor would understand the lack of correlation between changing to a reduced input cost environment (Mexico) from a higher cost one (U. S. ) If big labor wants to keep it's membership employed, something has to give.

AKaiser, Making a profit is an obvious conclusion. The rest is an oversimplification of a very complex subject that has more to do with tax incentives, lower fuel costs, nonexistant environmental regulations, lax personell safety requirements with little or no medical responsibility for industrial accidents and heavy automation than it does with wages and benefits. If you feel that you can work for low wages and no benefits in a work environment that gives you no recourse and still be able to live a middle class life style, I respectfully request that you seek a reality check, straightaway. GregH

 

[JFaulkner]

Another interesting Tundra vs. F-150 comparison:
YouTube - Ford F150 vs Toyota Tundra - Frame Strength

Ryan

Not jumping on anyone in particular but what is this suppose to prove? It's certainly not strength. We've got several trailers rated for 65,000lbs in 4ft and they will twist and bend like crazy but in no way would I consider them weak. Things that don't flex, break. Also these tests don't show "real world" situations. Who drives a bare frame? Answer no one, vehicles usually have bodies, engines, axles that believe it or not all contribute to the strength as a whole. If you were to remove your windshield and stand on the top of your truck you'd find out how much strength you get from small simple parts even glass. And no I'm not defending the Toyota, I don't care what brand anyone buys, I'm not in the market for a truck, in fact I only own one because I wanted to modify it, abuse it and, sell it. (and I've already done 2 of the 3) :-laf

 

[tmh1955]

If Toyota does this and does it as well as they did my wife's Camry, I am there!



I love my Dodge, but them Toyotas sure are reliable.