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[robmints]

MADS Electronics - Smarty - CaTCHER - Smarty06



Explains it pretty well. But you have 0-9 stock, mild, moderate, wild and a few different release dates to pick from. You may need to ask someone for older releases though. Then you have aftermarket inj or turbo and inj and turbo. So you have about 16 or 17 million combinations to try to see which one fits you. If you ask for opinons after people know what you have they will get you pretty close to what would be best.

 

[robmints]

Your 04. 5 might not be able to go back once you put the new one on. So if you think you might want to go back, check to make sure you can.



Like some people liked the smoke of the pre Dec13 version and the Dec13 adds ?all? the inj timing off idle and it can be kind of off putting IMO. So they can either go back to smoke with idle timing or choose a Dec13 aftermarket inj SW. But you may not have the choice to go back. If you bought the smarty to smoke, if I were you I would download and older sw to use because the Dec13 does not have nearly the smoke.

 

[WKruger]

Can't tell a difference in power between s/w levels, even on stock. I did update to the new s/w, w/ wild toque. Am I the only one? Oh yeah transmission doesn't jump gears like it used to either.

 

[Cattletrkr]

Couple findings:

1. Truck starts better. Hasn't been as cold lately (10-20*F), but the last couple mornings w/o being plugged in there's no chugging or smoke or anything. Very nice. We'll see what happens here when it gets cold again.
2. Not a big test, but the one load this morning the truck ran up the one big hill on my usual route roughly 200* cooler than it had been for the last couple weeks STOCK. Boost still didn't go up over stock levels like it used to with the Juice, but at 1200* pulling 36K in 5th uphill, I don't need the extra boost.
3. Don't know if all 3rd gens do this but my headlights will stay on after I turn them off if I turn the truck off first. If I turn the lights off first then the truck, the lights go off and stay off. Now with the Smarty, when I turn the lights off, they're off.

I haven't tried any setting other than SW#3 so far.

 

[JCasper]

Couple findings:

1. Truck starts better. Hasn't been as cold lately (10-20*F), but the last couple mornings w/o being plugged in there's no chugging or smoke or anything. Very nice. We'll see what happens here when it gets cold again.
   
2. Not a big test, but the one load this morning the truck ran up the one big hill on my usual route roughly 200* cooler than it had been for the last couple weeks STOCK. Boost still didn't go up over stock levels like it used to with the Juice, but at 1200* pulling 36K in 5th uphill, I don't need the extra boost.
   
3. Don't know if all 3rd gens do this but my headlights will stay on after I turn them off if I turn the truck off first. If I turn the lights off first then the truck, the lights go off and stay off. Now with the Smarty, when I turn the lights off, they're off.

I haven't tried any setting other than SW#3 so far.

If you want more boost you need to load up aftermarket turbo SW. That will disable the WG and allow more boost. I am running aftermarket turbo SW Mild TM level 5 and can see about 40psi.

 

[JasonCzerak]

If you want more boost you need to load up aftermarket turbo SW. That will disable the WG and allow more boost. I am running aftermarket turbo SW Mild TM level 5 and can see about 40psi.

boost is mearly limited to 40-ish no "disabled" if you want more then that, you need a fooler or a mechanically wastegated turbo.

 

[Cattletrkr]

If the EGT's are in check, what good is the extra boost? I'm not looking for MAX HP.

EDIT: I have a boost fooler from SP Diesel sitting here that I ordered by mistake and planned on sending back...

 

[JCasper]

boost is mearly limited to 40-ish no "disabled" if you want more then that, you need a fooler or a mechanically wastegated turbo.

IDK, is it limited or disabled? I figured I only saw 40 do to fuel. I have not tried a level higher then 5 yet.

 

[JCasper]

If the EGT's are in check, what good is the extra boost? I'm not looking for MAX HP.



EDIT: I have a boost fooler from SP Diesel sitting here that I ordered by mistake and planned on sending back...

If egt's are good then there probably is no need for extra boost.



With the stock charger much over 30 or 35 you are probably just pushing hot air anyways.

 

[RMalone]

You know I find it interesting how well the stock turbos have held up to serious boost from Smarty, TST, etc. If you believe TDR mag, and I do, the stock turbo is maxed out at about 30psi, efficiency wise at least. Yet tons of guys push 'em into the 40's and you rarely hear about one crapping out.



On my truck sw7 with the VA on low power is giving me 40+lb at around 1150deg and the pedal isn't anywhere near "pegged". Of course thats with temps in the 20's, still, for my truck that is excellent.

 

[JasonCzerak]

IDK, is it limited or disabled? I figured I only saw 40 do to fuel. I have not tried a level higher then 5 yet.

I think it's limited to the theoretical max that the map sensor can see. and I think that's what bob/macro said at one point. I know they said you need an external fooler to see over 40 with just the smarty programming on the stock turbo. With a real aftermarket turbo, I'm not sure what the use cases are in regards to boost.



This is the case with me. prior to getting my tst box fixed up with just the smarty all I could see was 38-40 on the mechanical gauge. once I plugged in the TST box, on 0/0/0 with boost fooling on, over 40 was no problem.





BTW, the turbo from a 03/04 is different then 04. 5+. And from what I hear is severaluy limited in power at around 35psi.



My truck makes tons more power when over 30psi. To say it doesn't make power over 30 is wrong.



To say a stock 04. 5 turbo isn't making the same power at 40psi vs a SPS66 at 40psi is more accurate



I've seen 48psi and my egt's are under 1500 and exhaust is rather cleaned up with the smarty + TST combo. Just a brown haze

 

[Bob Wagner]

Jason, That is correct on the cr trucks 44 psi is the ecm's limit. If you want more than that a boost fooler is needed.



Thanks

 

[JCasper]

Jason, That is correct on the cr trucks 44 psi is the ecm's limit. If you want more than that a boost fooler is needed.



Thanks

So does that mean even with aftermarket SW and a stock Turbo I won't see over 44?



That would be cool because I would like it limited somewhat.

 

[Cattletrkr]

My truck makes tons more power when over 30psi. To say it doesn't make power over 30 is wrong.

To say a stock 04. 5 turbo isn't making the same power at 40psi vs a SPS66 at 40psi is more accurate

I agree completely. The reason I looked into a Smarty in the first place is because my Edge wasn't overwriting something that is limiting the boost in cold weather. I had low power and high EGT's. The "stock turbo" software with the smarty doesn't give me the boost I am looking for, but at least for today I didn't need it.

During the summer I like to pull hills with boost in the upper 30's... with the Juice at least. Good power and the EGT's stay in check. That leads me to believe I'm not out of the turbo's efficiency range.

 

[JasonCzerak]

I agree completely. The reason I looked into a Smarty in the first place is because my Edge wasn't overwriting something that is limiting the boost in cold weather. I had low power and high EGT's. The "stock turbo" software with the smarty doesn't give me the boost I am looking for, but at least for today I didn't need it.



During the summer I like to pull hills with boost in the upper 30's... with the Juice at least. Good power and the EGT's stay in check. That leads me to believe I'm not out of the turbo's efficiency range.

I'm curious as to the drive pressure of a stock turbo tho At 35 psi it's hopefully ok for long term runs at that level, like pulling up a hill. But as far as 45-50psi, it's gota be rather insanely high (despite EGT). I run things that hi from 0-120mph. Some where in the 20-24-second range. Typically, it's 60-120. But with only 7200#'s of load, not 35K.

 

[JJPage]

I think it's limited to the theoretical max that the map sensor can see. and I think that's what bob/macro said at one point. I know they said you need an external fooler to see over 40 with just the smarty programming on the stock turbo. With a real aftermarket turbo, I'm not sure what the use cases are in regards to boost.



This is the case with me. prior to getting my tst box fixed up with just the smarty all I could see was 38-40 on the mechanical gauge. once I plugged in the TST box, on 0/0/0 with boost fooling on, over 40 was no problem.





BTW, the turbo from a 03/04 is different then 04. 5+. And from what I hear is severaluy limited in power at around 35psi.



My truck makes tons more power when over 30psi. To say it doesn't make power over 30 is wrong.



To say a stock 04. 5 turbo isn't making the same power at 40psi vs a SPS66 at 40psi is more accurate



I've seen 48psi and my egt's are under 1500 and exhaust is rather cleaned up with the smarty + TST combo. Just a brown haze

Jason, That is correct on the cr trucks 44 psi is the ecm's limit. If you want more than that a boost fooler is needed.



Thanks

This is why I am only seeing 50lbs boost, have not tried the TST in any mix yet, but the EZ is supposed to do boost fooling also?



Report back later, I will watch egt's closely with the TST in the program.