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I haven't had internet access at home for the past seven years. period double space :-laf This is because it cost $80 a month just for a land line phone. So I've been making do with a cell phone and using the internet at work after hours. Plus, going home to a 56K modeum after working on a T1 is too big a cross to bear.



Several times I've thought about and priced satellite services. I also inquired about the cell phone companies access and research indicated it was slower than satellite. But the folks at the Hatchet just down the road got rid of their satellite service because it wasn't reliable during overcast days. DSL, wireless, and cable not an option.



So last week I thought I'd give the Verizon Broadband Access a try during the free 30 day trial promotion. Have to say I'm haven't been disappointed in the connection speed, thus far. Not a T1 but definately not a land line.



But that's only half the story. I've driving my "new" P4 Dell box I picked up for $20. I have a dual boot system with Kubuntu Linux and XP professional (came with the hard drive). I've been using Linux since the mid-ninties and I must say that the Ubuntu and Kubuntu live CDs are SO simple to install compared with what it use to take. Over the past years I'd pick up a number of thrift store PC or Mac and install Linux on it... . because it was there. I've also got two Mac G3s and a PIII sitting here with various flavors of Linux installed. Its been kind of like putting a V6 in a Willys wagon and then having to leave it in the garage because you had no where to go.



So here I are... at least for the next 28, 27, 26 days and counting :)
 
That sound like a really nice system. Not to be a jerk but could you tell me what T1, Kubuntu Linux, Mac G3s, PIII, Verizon Broadband Access, Ubuntu, and P4 Dell box . I've hear some people use some of these terms but when I ask them about this stuff they start talking in geekenese. I am finally learning to actually type so any info would be educational.
 
T-1, Verizon Broadband Access is the type or speed of the internet connection, Kubuntu Linux or any os is the operating system ie;windows xp,linux and so on, p4 dell is the maker of computer. This is a short easy to understand description.
 
Since I'm off work I decided to tackle getting the Mac G3 B&W fired up. This one has Debian PPC linux installed for about a year. I paid $20 for two G3 B&W boxes and the LCD monitor. The monitor was Apple's first foray into LCD and cost about $1300 new. It has S-video, RCA video, and USB ports. I've been using this monitor on the P4 box also.



It took some finagling to get the permissions and groups set up, but here I are using the IceWeasel browser... ... a poke at FireFox :)



Oh well, its -10F out this morning and it was a good project. When it warms up this afternoon I'll haul my couch potato... potatoe duff out for a ski ;)
 
Good deal! I like playing with the Linux it is so much more stable than windows but some programs won't run on it even with wine.
 
what speed blue and white g3? the mac edition radeon video card works great, i use to sport a first year 300mhz b&w, i found that you can over clock the hell out of the early processors, i added some silver heat sink grease and put a small fan on the passive sink and oc'd it to 450mhz, it ran like that for years (still running actually) overclocked 50% and all it takes is a $5 fan and changing a couple dip switches, makes a noticeable difference
 
It a 350 MHz processor. Thanks for the over-clocking tip. After

all, what have I got to lose :-laf



My experience has been that linux can be a PIA to install on a Mac. I've had much easier experiences with PCs. Now that is changing since Macs use the same processors as PCs and the new Mac 10. X OSes are a BSD variant similar to linux in my understanding. Someday I'd like to score a cheap dual processor G5 for kicks.
 
A T1 is a a combination of 24 phone lines that are multiplexed to form roughly a 1. 53 Megabits per second wide area network connection, typically connected to the internet.



A T0 is 1 phone line (what goes to your house).

It consists of a 8 bit wide channel that is sampled at a rate of 2x the absolute frequency of the channel, 0Hz to 4000Hz, which is 8000 samples/second. On the first T0 channel, the phone company gives 7 of the 8 bits for data, and reserves the 8th bit for internal use (such as caller ID)

7bits * 8000 Samples/Second == 56,000 Bits/Second or 56k modem.



A T1 just combines 24 of these channels.

NOTE: on channels beyond the 1st channel, you get all 8 bits for data, therefore all channels from 2 and up are 64,000 b/s.

So...

If you take 56,000 + 23*64,000 ~== 1,529 Kb/s or 1. 5mbps link.



A T2 is just 4 T1s or 96 phone lines (Rarely used) == around 9. 6 Mbps

A T3 is just 28 T1s or 672 phone lines (more common) == around 45 Mbps

These numbers continue to get higher, but typically anything after a T3 becomes an OC (Fiber Optic) link due the higher frequencies required for more channels.

Hence the OC3, OC12, OC48, OC192, OC768 terms



The phone company achieves sending this signal over 1 phone line through a technique called Multiplexing. This can get a little complicated, but I will try to keep it simple.

When you make a phone call from your house, it goes to the local CO (Call Office). Everyone in your neighborhood connects to the same CO (could be a few thousand users). If the telephone company did not multiplex, each circuit (established call) would need a dedicated phone line between the Call Offices (and higher). This would require Millions of additional phone lines to be installed.

So...

Because each channel utilizes 4000Hz of frequency (to be picky, only 300Hz to 3300Hz), but the copper phone line can support frequencies upwards of many Mhz for relatively short distances (say a few miles), we have a significantly larger amount of bandwidth on the line that is not being used.



Multiplexing is a technique of shifting frequencies and stacking them. Call #1 gets frequency 0 --> 4000 Hz. When Caller #2 lifts the handset, the local CO MUX (short for Multiplexer), takes the incoming signal, and shifts it to 4000 --> 8000 Hz. The Third caller (or circuit) gets shifted to 8000 --> 12,000Hz.



Now, all 3 of these calls (or circuits) can be passed down the same copper line (between COs), just using the frequencies from 0Hz to 12,000Hz.





To give a little more detail for those of you who caught it, I originally stated the channel is 0 --> 4000 Hz (which at 7 bits, gives you exactly 56k), but I later reference only 300Hz --> 3300 Hz, which at 7 bits, you only get 42k, so how we really get 56k????



Because the majority of voice surrounds around say 800hz, with a little calculus, we can determine that is is more efficient to sample the frequency area around this more common area more often and less often say 2 or 3 standard deviations away from this point.



This is determined and sampled using a technique called u (Mu) law companding (not compounding) in the US and Alpha law companding abroad. Through these techniques, we can improve the signaling slightly, and re-achieve the theoretical limit of 56k.



The actual speed that your modem negotiates with say AOL, is based on many factors, the majority of them revolve around the amount of noise in the local loop (from the CO to your house) and the distance of that line. The closer you are to the CO (just like DSL) and the better quality of lines (typically y based on the age), the quieter the line, and the better quality connection or higher speed you will be able to obtain.







The funny thing is, this is exactly how the physical layer of DSL works. All the DSL Modem actually does (at the Physical layer), is act like a MUX, only called a Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (DSLAM). Every DSL Provider is different, and based on the bandwidth rates purchased, the frequencies used are different, but the principal is the same.

Between your house, and the local CO, you are just accessing more MHz of frequency on your local TeleCo loop. More frequency means more bandwidth.



Your Voice Transmission still occurs at 0 --> 4000 Hz, the data channel just occurs at a higher Frequency. That is why the DSL provider gives you those filters to put between the wall and the phone. With out these filters, you potentially could hear the actual data channel (the very bottom end). The filters also keep your voice (or any ambient noise) from interfering with the higher frequencies of the DSL.



Unfortunately, due to the laws of physics and higher frequencies not propagating as far as low frequencies (and the 20AWG wire of the phone system) and the average TeleCo loop being around 1. 25mi, you will not be able to maintain frequencies above about 10MHz efficiently.



As you get further away from the CO, the bandwidth capabilities of DSL drop (and not on a linear scale), which is why say Verizon can not make DSL available everywhere.



Cable Companies run a piece of RG8 (large piece of Coax) down the street, which is about an 8AWG copper cable (vs 20AWG for TelCo). Because the copper is so much larger, they can push much higher frequencies much further. Again with out getting into much detail, this is why the cable companies can provide higher band width and go farther from their Head In locations.



With the New FIoS technology (what in the TelCo industry is known as the "Last Mile") being installed into individuals homes, bandwidth limitations are virtually eliminated. The Fiber utilized for an OC3 (155Mbps) is the same Fiber used for an OC768 (39,813Mbps). The only difference is the "modem" or the Optical/Photonic switching equipment at the ends of the line.



One other thing to say (because I did not earlier), typically, when you purchase a T1 or a T3 from the phone company, they will bring you a F/O link, and put a DSLAM at your location, and then give you a copper link which will get connected to the Boarder Gateway Router (with the proper interface card). To upgrade this typically requires a change of adapters in the DSLAM and/or in your BGR.

But... This is in no way the guaranteed way of connecting. There are literally thousands of ways a WAN Link can be created, not all are necessarily connected to the "Internet" either. There are also many other technologies that can be thrown into this mix, such as ISDN, ATM, MPLS, SSH, Sonet, Frame Relay. Each one works differently, yet they are all related (most specifically to SDH/Sonet). They all can be private or public.



The distance limitations in Fiber Optic are also virtually eliminated (yes there is some loss, but it is typically less than 0. 4dB/Km).
 
Well... . that pretty much says it all. A veritable wealth, nay cornucopia, of information :-laf



Unfortunately, I live forty one miles from town in a sparsely populated area. So, my options are somewhat limited. The basic land line starts at $80/mn.



But if I followed your expertise, a land line can accomplish the tasks of a T1 or DSLAM with the right configuration and etc. For the right price.
 
The problem is, a T1 costs a tremendous amount of money (when compared to DSL).

Typically, the TelCo will make you pay to run the F/O to your location (who knows how much for this), then about 7k for the DSLAM (and various other equipment, you might need a router with a T1 interface that ranges about $8k, probably a Cisco 2600 with T1 card), with an access fee of $500/month. But... This will give you a real Internet Connection.
 
not sure id try more then 450mhz, seen people try it and you start getting into weird voltage and multiplier problems, i don't think they go poof but i believe they can screw up data, so i never pushed it further, the info should still be around on the web for the switch settings



It a 350 MHz processor. Thanks for the over-clocking tip. After

all, what have I got to lose :-laf
 
i don't think these old azz copper ibm processors go poof, don't think theres enough power across the bus unlike the new processors, theres a coupe videos running around where a dude takes a at the time newest available pentium and a amd and oc's the hell outta them with no fan connected, then he lifts the heat sink off, a few seconds later the processor vaporizes taking a chunk of motherboard with it, must be nice to have the $$$ to nuke a several hundred dollar processor and couple hundred dollar mobo for fun, a couple times



oh they go poof! also a nice puff of smoke!
 
Yeah,

Once you let out the Magic Smoke, they quit working

I am still trying to figure out how they get it inside, but once you let it out, it never works again :)
 
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