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We did some before and after dyno testing and there was no HP?TQ difference with the ring in or out. Now it will whistle more when removed.
 
I'm curious why you think they exist and what they do? :confused:



Good question. My gut says the only reason they exist is because it would be a waste of aluminum if the casting were solid in that region.



Your suggestion that the slots exist to bleed off excess capacity during a sudden drop in engine demand (sort of a buffer) may or may not hold water.



1. Are those slots open in such a way that excess inlet capacity can be bled off? I don't think they are.



2. If the slots are closed, are they of large enough volume to act as a useful reservoir during a drop in demand at the compressor? Again, my gut says there are 2 problems with this.



2a. Their volume relative to the volume of the intake is too small to do any good as a reservoir. The intake tract itself is a far more effective reservoir for excess air, so there would be no need to cut these slots for that purpose.



2b. During normal operation those slots are already filled with air (I doubt the silencer ring is an effective seal). So during surge operation they're only going to get more air if the pressure in the intake rises (which it does). But the moment the intake pressure exceeds atmospheric pressure flow is simply going to back out the filter, as opposed to pressurizing the slots.



Obviously, we can't ignore Nick's experience that the lack of a silencer ring reduced turbo bark. But we must ask ourselves, why? Forrest, maybe you're right and the slots are acting as either bleed passages or reservoirs. Or, maybe they're even acting as some sort of stall mitigation device. I don't know.



We must remember that the slots lie well outside the compressor inlet, whose walls are smooth.



Ryan
 
they are called "Map Width Enhancement" slots...



why did the old H1C's not have the grooves cut on the 1st gen trucks? because the turbine housings weren't tight enough to create a surge situation. Then in 94 when they first put the 12cm housing on the H1C, the groove was cut to aleviate surge... and the silencer ring was installed to aleviate the noise caused by the MWE groove being cut



they allow air that is taken in by the face of the compressor wheel (center/inducer) that can not be accepted by the engine to be bled out around the compressor wheel, thus reducing surge.



Housings like that are designed to allow using an MWE slot. Theoreticly a non MWE turbo will run more efficiently at peak performance, but an MWE setup allows for a tighter turbine housing and a broader overall powerband



but, there are rules in various sanctioning bodies about how wide an MWE slot can be cut. air can be drawn in through there, but it's main design feature is to bleed air around the wheel in surge conditions.
 
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also, I think you're thinking that the three "pockets" are "slots"



I am discussing the grove cut around the wheel, exposing the side of it to those pockets. The only reason there are pockets is you need ribs to hold the assembly together
 
also, I think you're thinking that the three "pockets" are "slots"



I am discussing the grove cut around the wheel, exposing the side of it to those pockets. The only reason there are pockets is you need ribs to hold the assembly together



I'm not sure what groove you mean. The tiny one just past the leading edge of the blades, inside the inlet? That groove isn't connected to the pockets.



Or are you talking about the bevel cut in the leading edge of the inlet? That's still connected to the pockets even if the silencer ring is in place.



I'd be curious what Holset says about this.



Ryan
 
I'm not sure what groove you mean. The tiny one just past the leading edge of the blades, inside the inlet? That groove isn't connected to the pockets.



I'd be curious what Holset says about this.



Ryan



yes, that groove is connected to the "pockets" as you call them...



Holset would say exactly what I'm saying
 
not sure what you're asking... you can clearly see a cut MWE slot in that large turbo's compressor housing

The 3 slotted openings
I thought you were saying that they were straight through to the impeller and NOT blind slots("pockets") and it actully let air through them

(the chargers are outside so i havent looked at them, other than the pix)
what i meant was are the HX35 "slots", "blnd slots"??


Michael
 
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