Add-A-Leafs or Blocks?

[Grizzly]

I wouldn't go with blocks or air bags. Add leafs.

 

[JGoss]

I think I'm going with the ride-rites from Summit. They are $245 shipped to my door. I'll probably go manual now, but may add a compressor later. Thanks for everyones input.

 

[Cattletrkr]

You are kidding right?

Nope, just stated it wrong. I need to slow down the rebound.

... then you need a rebuildable shock that you can add more rebound to.

Any recommendations. I've been told that before, maybe by yourself, but I've never been able to find such a thing. Parts guys just give me a blank stare.

You are grossly overloading your truck to be in that situation :-laf

duh

 

[JKloppe]

cattletrkr here ya go



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[Bob4x4]

cattletrkr here ya go



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External adjustment too :-laf



Bob

 

[Cattletrkr]

cattletrkr here ya go

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Thanks... :-laf

Do they come with a matching spacesuit?

 

[JKloppe]

its called technology. You might have better luck with your truck if your aware of it, and apply it!

 

[Cattletrkr]

It's called asking for assistance with finding a product and all I get is a picture of something without any name on it or a place to find out more about them. Real helpful.

 

[Bob4x4]

It's called asking for assistance with finding a product and all I get is a picture of something without any name on it or a place to find out more about them. Real helpful.

The ones pictured are sway aways I believe.

Here you can find Kings that I run

http://www.kingshocks.com/



Here are Fox shocks

:: FOX RACING SHOX ::



here are sway a ways



SWAY-A-WAY - axles, torsion bars, and shocks for trucks, cars, and off-road vehicles



Bob

 

[Cattletrkr]

Thank you. I doubt I'll do anything, but it's nice to have options.

 

[Lorenz]

I'll custom valve a 2. 25 Sway-a-way for you. I doubt you'll notice much difference on the compression side even if I left the valving out of it, but I can really slow down the rebound side.

You want to rethink your spring set up or get a Dodge Ram 5500. If you need all of that spring to satisfy the weight your carrying your truck is more than overloaded, it's dangerous.

The pic of the bypass shock above may have been taken off my other site, Swayaways.com. There's a whole bunch of cool stuff to drool over on here.

You can order the 2. 25 Sway A Way off of LORENZindustries.com

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[JKloppe]

It's called asking for assistance with finding a product and all I get is a picture of something without any name on it or a place to find out more about them. Real helpful.

Did you ask for info or a "matching space suit?"

 

[thashane]

The pic of the bypass shock above may have been taken off my other site, Swayaways.com. There's a whole bunch of cool stuff to drool over on here.

So are you the "man" behind Swayaways? I bought the coilover kit for my tacoma years back. Man I beat that truck so hard (eventually bent the frame in the rear) and I loved my SAW's. I miss the little dino on the racerunner sticker too.

So Sean if you are the man, and the same man. Thankyou for an awesome product! I rebuilt them once and they didn't really need it after bi weekly dune trips and constant mtn road runs! I look forward to the day I can run SAW's on the dodge but I'm afraid if I do I'll be right back to skipping whoops again, and then all the associated headache that comes with prepping the rest of the truck to catch up with the shocks

 

[Baja_Mike]

We have a work around in the mix. We'll get the travel out of the Firestones with our new fangdangled air bag reservoir kit that's in the works.



The compression side of the Firestones is were the problem lies. When they ramp up, the stored air/energy doesn't have a place to go. bajabob was using 3-4'' of travel with the standard air bags and my 2. 25 System. I think we can more than double that with a couple of reservoirs in line.



If I can make it economicly feasable, we'll get it done.

So tell me how you're going to overcome the physics of the bag actually tearing apart at 10" of wheel travel??? The whole thing with the expansion tanks has been around for a long time. We've had a few customers with huge expansion tanks it still doesn't come close to the ride our long travel air bags give. But I don't see how you are going to tell the rubber not to tear when stretched beyond its physical limit. A Firestone airbag on a rear of a dodge full drooped with all the air lines disconnected looks like a porn star face down with a 30lbs. weight hanging off her boob. I mean it's really stretched. So please enlighten us..... Oo.

 

[Cattletrkr]

You want to rethink your spring set up or get a Dodge Ram 5500.

Is there another option for springs to carry 8K of tongue weight?

If you need all of that spring to satisfy the weight your carrying your truck is more than overloaded, it's dangerous.

I think there's a lot of the general CTD public that thinks the same way. There are a lot of guys hauling what I do and more, but most of them don't waste their time like I do on an internet site. I certainly wouldn't say I'm in the norm for your average CTD owner, but I am about middle of the road as far as commercial livestock haulers go.

Having said that, my next truck will be at least a 4500. If I can get a 5500 with something other than 4. 88's I'll get one of those.

And just so I can be more than a little arrogant and snooty, when was the last time anyone here saw or heard of a commercial livestock hauler in a wreck? You haven't. We're the best there is. We simply don't get into accidents. How's that for jinxing myself? :-laf

You can order the 2. 25 Sway A Way off of LORENZindustries.com

I'll check it out. I'm getting sick of spending money on this thing for now. If the price is right, I'll be in the market after I'm thru satisfying Uncle Sam.

Oh yeah, almost forgot... thanks.

 

[JKloppe]

A Firestone airbag on a rear of a dodge full drooped with all the air lines disconnected looks like a porn star face down with a 30lbs. weight hanging off her boob. I mean it's really stretched. So please enlighten us..... Oo.

I saw her they other day, just as you discribed. rotflmao

 

[Cattletrkr]

Did you ask for info or a "matching space suit?"

I asked of Bob:

Any recommendations. I've been told that before, maybe by yourself, but I've never been able to find such a thing. Parts guys just give me a blank stare.

You gave me a pic of a shock that might be just what I need but you gave me no way of knowing who makes it or where to get it or where to get some more info on it. The pic looks like a ray gun stood on the muzzle so where's the harm in a little joke. Lighten up. If it makes ya feel better, thanks for being the first one to try and help.

 

[Lorenz]

The compression/bump side of the travel is the issue, not droop. Here's a couple of examples.



bajabobs truck, wasn't using all of the up travel untill he used Carli's bags. Frankly he wasn't getting more than 3-4'' if uptravel no matter how hard he pounded the truck with a camper in the bed while running the standard 3rd gen Firstone bags above the axle. Carlis bags increased up travel an gave him a swingin' ride with my 2. 25 System.



The caviate to bajabob's System was the rebound. I added a lot to it when I first delivered the 2. 25 Sway-a-Way System to him. He wanted even more control, and less sway, so I changed the valving again, and added even more rebound valving the second go around. The rear of his truck can't droop out during normal driving, and he loves it. His load is under complete control with very little sway. Simply put Carlis bags allowed for more up travel, while my shocks were valved to the moon and wouldn't allow for a lot of droop. 10'' of droop is a mute point for the average guy who uses his truck as a daily driver and for towing.



I played around with 2nd gen bag in different mounting locations, with and without hard mounting them to the axle, and found the axle didn't droop out untill I was skipping across whoops or abusing the truck at speed. You can hear, and feel them clank when they engage the leaf pack.



Now, when I changed things up and ran the larger/longer 3rd gen bags it allowed for more droop, 8'' or so, while they were hard mounted to te axle, but they limit the up travel because the stored energy in the form of compressed air, has no were to go. Give the air a place to go when compressed, and you'll get the same ride as Carlis bags minus 2-3'' of droop.



If I can do this for a couple hundred dollars in material, the average joe will have a long travel air bag for half the price all said and done. It will have 8'' of usable travel, not 10-11''



I'd put a green back on it and say they'd even ride better than your bags because there will be more room for expansion on the compression stroke. The rising rate can be tuned out, and the added spring rate won't come on as hard. Though, your design will take the cake when the truck is 4 feet in the air. (I'll gladly continue to send those customers your way. )

 

[Lorenz]

Catletrkr,

Did you say 8,000#?!!!!



Our trucks are rated with a 1400-1700# payload. Your going to break something and it's going to be big!! Have you checked you frame for cracks, how about the axle, E rated tires are rated at 3650# each. It's only a matter of time before something catastrophic fails with 8000# in the bed.



We bend front axles on these trucks regularly by running them off road hard. I'm figuring your rear AAM Axle won't too last long before it pretzles.

 

[Baja_Mike]

The compression/bump side of the travel is the issue, not droop. Here's a couple of examples.



bajabobs truck, wasn't using all of the up travel untill he used Carli's bags. Frankly he wasn't getting more than 3-4'' if uptravel no matter how hard he pounded the truck with a camper in the bed while running the standard 3rd gen Firstone bags above the axle. Carlis bags increased up travel an gave him a swingin' ride with my 2. 25 System.



The caviate to bajabob's System was the rebound. I added a lot to it when I first delivered the 2. 25 Sway-a-Way System to him. He wanted even more control, and less sway, so I changed the valving again, and added even more rebound valving the second go around. The rear of his truck can't droop out during normal driving, and he loves it. His load is under complete control with very little sway. Simply put Carlis bags allowed for more up travel, while my shocks were valved to the moon and wouldn't allow for a lot of droop. 10'' of droop is a mute point for the average guy who uses his truck as a daily driver and for towing.



I played around with 2nd gen bag in different mounting locations, with and without hard mounting them to the axle, and found the axle didn't droop out untill I was skipping across whoops or abusing the truck at speed. You can hear, and feel them clank when they engage the leaf pack.



Now, when I changed things up and ran the larger/longer 3rd gen bags it allowed for more droop, 8'' or so, while they were hard mounted to te axle, but they limit the up travel because the stored energy in the form of compressed air, has no were to go. Give the air a place to go when compressed, and you'll get the same ride as Carlis bags minus 2-3'' of droop.



If I can do this for a couple hundred dollars in material, the average joe will have a long travel air bag for half the price all said and done. It will have 8'' of usable travel, not 10-11''



I'd put a green back on it and say they'd even ride better than your bags because there will be more room for expansion on the compression stroke. The rising rate can be tuned out, and the added spring rate won't come on as hard. Though, your design will take the cake when the truck is 4 feet in the air. (I'll gladly continue to send those customers your way. )

There is something you haven't considered yet though. Our bags let the air expand at the bag itself. You will have issues with air flow. You can only make so much air flow through that 1/4" line. Now hit a bump doing 70mph on the freeway. You will overwhelm the the flow capacity of the air line and you will still wind up with a rough ride. Trust me we've already done the homework.