Run That Diesel On Water?????????

[ASchuerg]

YES YOU CAN I HAVE BEEN USEING WATER AND BAKIG SODA FOR ABOUT A MONTH ON 08 C/C NOW AND A FRIEND OF MINE IS USING IT ON HIS FORD AND A HEMI DODGE... . COST $ 75. 00 FOR THE PARTS TO MAKE IT. VERY SIMPLE TO MAKE AND INSTALL DODGE UNDER HOOD FORD IN TRUCK BED. IT IS THE HYDROGEN GAS YOU CAN MAKE YOURSELF AND PLUMB INTO AIR INTAKE. SO FAR SO GOOD UP MY MILEAGE TO CONSTANT 21/22 MPG EMPTY FREEWAY DRIVING. THE FEOR WENT FROM 9 MPG TOWING TO 14 MPG STILL SUCKS DOES NOT SEEM TO AFFECT. STILL WORKING ON THE BUGS TO BALANCE THE AMPS USED TO PRODUCE THE GAS. STAY AROUND 20 PER SYSTEM. WE HAVE A GRAIN HAULER INSTALLING HIS VERSION USING MASON JARS CALLED A SIXPACK SO FAR SO GOOD. tHIS THING REALLY WORKS SO FAR.

 

[HBarlow]

I have some discounted ocean front property in West Texas I'd like to sell you after you get your water fuel system perfected. Just pm me when you're interested.

 

[ASchuerg]

They Say Ignorance Is Bliss I Hear And Youprobably Know All About It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

They Say Ignorance Is Bliss I Hear And Youprobably Know All About It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Be prepared to hear LOTS of similar comments from the "Can't be done", "Earth is FLAT" society members - and DON'T confuse them with facts or your own direct experience - they will just be "disregarded" as "impossible" and efforts made to make YOU look like a fool...



Been there, done that - burned the T-shirt... :-laf:-laf



Good luck, and keep the REST of up posted on observations and results - the rest of us might also be skeptical - but are also very interested in this unfolding technology...

 

[betterthanstock]

So does your contraption separate the oxygen and hydrogen, or is it all mixed in together?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

So does your contraption separate the oxygen and hydrogen, or is it all mixed in together?

I would think BOTH would potentially benefit combustion - and there are *2* parts Oxygen to 1 part Hydrogen in water - we install turbos to get MORE air (Oxygen) into the combustion chambers - why would we want to separate it out of a Hydrogen generator?



Not a Physicist - just thinking out loud...

 

[HBarlow]

They Say Ignorance Is Bliss I Hear And Youprobably Know All About It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I am so sorry I offended you. I didn't realize you were a such a scholar and genius inventor. Where did you get your Ph. D. ?

 

[Cattletrkr]

I would think BOTH would potentially benefit combustion - and there are *2* parts Oxygen to 1 part Hydrogen in water - we install turbos to get MORE air (Oxygen) into the combustion chambers - why would we want to separate it out of a Hydrogen generator?

Not a Physicist - just thinking out loud...

Not much of a chemist either...

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Not much of a chemist either...

AWright - so I got it backwards :-laf - my basic point still remains valid - why remove Oxygen from the Hydrogen in these setups, if BOTH have a positive potential in aiding combustion.



From Wikipedia:

The oxygen weighs 16 times as much as the hydrogen, so with two hydrogen atoms, the one oxygen atom would weigh 8 times as much as the two of them.





Answer

No, there's no equilibrium between the mass of different kinds of elements needed in chemistry. It simply says that there are two hydrogens and one oxygen per molecule of water.

 

[grasmo]

I have had great success running mine on methane gas. See i run a hose from my airbox through the cab and I have a hole drilled in the drivers seat and well ... ... mexican food runs the best. Just kidding... . I find it very interesting though and I will give you the same respect that I want when I try to explain new ideas.

 

[AHarris]

Lighten up!

I am so sorry I offended you. I didn't realize you were a such a scholar and genius inventor. Where did you get your Ph. D. ?

Harvey, why are you so hard on folks? I've heard this hydrogen story from quite a few different sources lately, and I'm open to learning if there might be a possibility that it works. My brother wants to try it on his truck because he's seen it work successfully in several of his friends'. I'm not an engineer or a chemist, but I didn't realize a Ph. D. was required to discuss the creation of Brown's Gas from water electrolysis and its possible uses in boosting the efficiency of conventional fuels.

That said, I'm a skeptic by nature and not sold on the idea--but I'd like to hear more. Personally I would rather spend my time learning more about it from fellow TDR members then reading sarcastic comments that seem to have no purpose other than to insult other people. Why?

Lighten upOo.

 

[jimnance]

Don't know about that system, but family friends have a farm in the San Joaquin Valley of California. They irrigate part of the time from huge wells with pumps driven by the industrial version of our CTD's. It turns out that a couple of wells tapped into pockets of natural gas. Our resourceful farmer friend adapted the engine to run on the natural gas emitted by the wells. Cummins was very interested and came out to review the conversion. I don't know all the details, but that is the real deal.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Incase this thread doesn't hash the subject thoroughly enough here's a couple more recent threads on the HHO subject :-laf

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/alternative-fuels/203182-hydrogen-generator-trucks.html

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...n-discussions/203181-double-fuel-mileage.html

 

[ASchuerg]

I am not a chemist but I'm not stupid either. You don't remove any oxygen. It is plumbed into air intake fools the map sensor and computer adjusts the amount of diesel fuel being called for. When cold starting it takes about 15 min for the system to heat up to produce enough gas to wok right during that time you are using straight diesel. The system works belive it or not. We are still working some of the fine details out it seems to work better on gas motors than diesel. I have seen mowers, torches, as well as diesels run on straight Hydrogen !!!! This system only uses part of the gas produced to reduce fuel consumption. One of you highly educated experts needs to tell Honda, GM, CAT, JD it can't be done. Since they are all working on some version. We can not raise enough soy bean in this country to produce BIO Fuels to support our usage. This is a fact numbers don't lie. While you are at it tell them, natural gas, propane or anything else will work except the Terrorist Supported Crude that we use.

Laugh as you wish "He who laughs last laughs best" All I was trying to do was enlighten some others to take the bite out of fuel costs. I am not selling anything. Just trying to help rather that stand with my thumb up my back side whining about the problems of high fuel prices. TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE!!!

 

[TAbbott]

When it comes to augmenting the Diesel fuel in our trucks, propane will work, natural gas will work, methane would work and yes, hydrogen gas could work ... assuming you had enough of it to do anything and didn't have to burn the diesel first to make the electricity to make the gas ...



Therein lies the rub. There's no free lunch.



Electrolysis is not a new concept. It takes more fuel to make the power needed to electrolyze the water into its constituent parts (hydrogen and oxygen) than can be generated by burning the resulting gases. Thats a fact --- and that means the only hope for the concept is to limit the production of the current to those times when the engine is decelerating or coasting. Or, you must make use of some otherwise wasted energy to create the electrical current ... like maybe driving the generator off the turbo or something.



Then, you must store the gas created at those times until such time as you want to burn it to provide motive power to the vehicle. Storing hydrogen and oxygen together isn't a good idea. When they were water, they were stable, once separated, they are explosive.



Assuming one could solve the problems of only generating the gases while going downhill or braking, and the problem of separating the gases until one wanted to use them, and create enough volume of the gases to do any good, it's a perfectly sound idea.



Unfortunately, none of the "home brew" hydrogen generators I've heard anything about do any of those things, so I have serious doubts as to any of the positive claims that are made about them.



If they really worked as claimed, and provided a net power gain, it would be pretty simple to demonstrate by simply putting the vehicle on a dyno, run it at a steady state with the gas generating device turned off, get a reading, engage the gas maker and see how the horsepower inceased, rpms climbed or torque output soared.



I think it's pretty telling that no one has done this.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

If they really worked as claimed, and provided a net power gain, it would be pretty simple to demonstrate by simply putting the vehicle on a dyno, run it at a steady state with the gas generating device turned off, get a reading, engage the gas maker and see how the horsepower inceased, rpms climbed or torque output soared.



I think it's pretty telling that no one has done this.

What's "telling" to me, is the pointer I used earlier - if that guy isn't lying, he is running HIS vehicle TOTALLY on generated hydrogen - NOT simply supplementing gasoline with Hydrogen. Supposedly, the vehicle doesn't even HAVE a gas tank - it's been converted to a water tank!



Dunno - maybe a farce - but if NOT, it potentially tosses all our commonly accepted conventional "scientific" theories out the window...



I'd sure like to SEE his vehicle - as well as how FAST it is capable of traveling - is it freeway capable, and how far on a tank of water...



But, even if it only SLIGHTLY works, to the tune of improving MPG in trucks like ours by perhaps 2 MPG - do the math, at $4. 75 or so a gallon - how much $$$ might it save you per tank?

 

[ASchuerg]

It is going to be done in the next couple of weeks after the stable 20amps can be regulated. no oxygen or hydrogen are stored together the gas is used immediately. hydrogen gas and water are stored together that is all the unit is sealed so no gas can escape and is piped through brass threaded fittings and copper tube. the gas must pass through water bath. I have not claimed to run on pure hxdrogen only adding the gas to the intake cut down on the amount of fuel needed to run. we will be dyno a ford next couple of weeks. you can turn on or off. paying $4. 94 per gallon any helps.

 

[ENafziger]

Interested in seeing results... There are some very interesting systems being experimented with that provide the "power" for electrolysis, not based on high current, but high voltage. Since P = IV, the big power can be made using only milliamps of current if the voltage is high enough. i. e. multiple coils, LCR circuits tuned to resonance, etc...

--Eric

 

[HBarlow]

Automobile, Truck & Motorcycle: Parts & Accessories



This one is cheaper and readily available.

 

[HBarlow]

YES YOU CAN I HAVE BEEN USEING WATER AND BAKIG SODA FOR ABOUT A MONTH ON 08 C/C NOW AND A FRIEND OF MINE IS USING IT ON HIS FORD AND A HEMI DODGE... . COST $ 75. 00 FOR THE PARTS TO MAKE IT. VERY SIMPLE TO MAKE AND INSTALL DODGE UNDER HOOD FORD IN TRUCK BED. IT IS THE HYDROGEN GAS YOU CAN MAKE YOURSELF AND PLUMB INTO AIR INTAKE. SO FAR SO GOOD UP MY MILEAGE TO CONSTANT 21/22 MPG EMPTY FREEWAY DRIVING. THE FEOR WENT FROM 9 MPG TOWING TO 14 MPG STILL SUCKS DOES NOT SEEM TO AFFECT. STILL WORKING ON THE BUGS TO BALANCE THE AMPS USED TO PRODUCE THE GAS. STAY AROUND 20 PER SYSTEM. WE HAVE A GRAIN HAULER INSTALLING HIS VERSION USING MASON JARS CALLED A SIXPACK SO FAR SO GOOD. tHIS THING REALLY WORKS SO FAR.

The intake manifold on a turbocharged diesel engine is not at atmospheric pressure when the engine is running and the turbo is making boost. How do you overcome 20 - 30 psi to inject hydrogen gas into the intake?