smarty jr.

[SDoumit]

I'm looking for some input about the smarty jr. Though there are a lot of posts about other smarty products I can't seem to find anything related to the smarty jr. If any of you folk have and use the smarty jr. I would love to know if you like the product and if it helps with towing and fuel mialage. I have a 2003 Dodge 3500 diesel.

Thanks, Steve

 

[EArp]

Hey steve, I really have enjoyed my jr. I haven't towed with it but it really gives you alot more power. Your fuel economy will depend on your driving habits. When I first got mine i was telling myself I would only run it on the fuel economy setting, but as is human nature I enjoyed the power and responsiveness of the performance setting so much that that's all I run mine on now. If you can resist the urge to do that and keep your foot out of it, you should get an extra mpg or two. Furthermore, the jr is also considered to be one of the safer mods you can do to your truck. Some of the other programmers increase the power so much that you can really tear some things up, not to mention that some of the other programmers increase your rail pressure (the jr does not) which can really eat up injectors.

 

[Motorhead]

I'm looking for some input about the smarty jr. Though there are a lot of posts about other smarty products I can't seem to find anything related to the smarty jr. If any of you folk have and use the smarty jr. I would love to know if you like the product and if it helps with towing and fuel mialage. Thanks.
Steve

First... Welcome to the TDR! Go to your signature and fill in what truck you have.
I have the Jr and it is a great addition to my truck. If you are still under warranty then Smarty and the Smartyjr this is the only one you want to run as it is undetectable.

 

[SDoumit]

Thanks for the info. I pack a camper and tow a jeep when I travel. So I'm looking for some extra power and hopefully some extra fuel mileage. I think that I'm pretty well set on getting the Smart Jr. I'm not looking for a huge amount of horse power. Hope there will be some more input on this subject.

Steve

 

[Bob Wagner]

I can make one statement. The Smarty and Smarty Jr. come with my satisfaction guarantee.



I offer a 100% money back guarantee.



Thank you.





and the 100 hp seems to be the winner for fuel economy increase

 

[jbucha4]

I'm trying to get my wife to get me one for christmas.

 

[JoeHutchinson]

Smarty Jr

Steve,



I have had a Jr. for about a year now and I track my mileage and record my it with every tank. I saw a increase of 1 MPG from 18 to 19 at the 70 HP setting and an increase of 3 MPG to 21 at the 40 HP setting.



But the reason to add it is performance, the engine spool up to speed much faster and is way more fun to drive.



I tow about 5000 pound up and down mountains of WVa and at the 100 HP setting the clutch can't hold full power on a steep climb in 6th gear so I do have to back off a little.



Joe

 

[JoshuaCummins]

Been running my Smarty, Jr since shortly after I bought the truck this February, and have nothing bad to say about it so far.
Just uploaded the new REVO tune today, after tweaking the new adjustable options as well, but I can't comment on that yet since I haven't driven anywhere since.
Definitely noticed an increase in MPG on the Economy setting, but as everyone else says -- that's contingent on whether or not you can keep your foot light on the skinny pedal.

Bob,
I have questions about the new adjustable options for the Smarty, Jr. , if you have a few moments.
After reading the information on this page, MADS Electronics - Smarty - CaTCHER - REVO, I'm confused by the brief (mostly one-word) descriptions of the options.

For example:
The Smarty Jr. says Injection Timing # 4 - Advanced ( more timing advance than level # 2 ), but the Smarty S04 says Injection Timing # 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 ).
Can I safely assume that the Smarty, Jr. level #4 for Injection Timing is for better fuel economy also?
Another example is the Torque settings... I can only guess as to what Mild, Soft and Light represent. It doesn't necessarily look to be a progressive increase/decrease of Torque?

I guess the overall question/point is that without trying every possible combination of options, is there a way we can get a bit more info on what to expect from the different settings? That page is the best info I've found so far on what the options represent, but it still leaves me guessing a bit, and I don't think I'm alone in this.

Thanks for everything, as always.

 

[one8upcb]

How does it do with the 48re stock Transmission. I'm trying to get santa to drop one off for xmas but will have to see. Do they have military discount. If not it never hurts to ask.

 

[Buffalo]

I have the "JR" on my '03, HO, 3500, 6-speed. I have stock sized tires & 3:73 gear ratio. My trailer probably weighs about 7000 lbs. &, last October, I towed from Phoenix up through CA. , OR. , WA. , ID. , UT & back to AZ.



I've found that mountain driving on the Performance Mode (100 HP. ) will give higher EGT's than I am comfortable with. However, the Towing Mode (70 HP. ) is great!!! Never gets too hot & seems to have enough power even going uphill in the mountains.



I know this sounds like a bunch of "BS" but, on that trip, on Hwy. 99 from Bakersfield heading towards Sacramento, I got two fill-ups in the 16+ mpg. range. One at 16. 8 & the other at 16. 2. Also, had a couple of 15+ mpg. s. The reason for the great mileage (with the trailer in tow) is that the speed limit is 55 MPH. when towing & I just got in line with all the 18 wheelers & followed at about 57 MPH average.



That part of CA is flat as a pool table & along with slow speeds & the "drafting effect" from all the 18 wheelers produced that kind of mileage.



I'm pleased with my Smarty Jr. & would buy it again. You won't be the fastest guy at the drag strip but, you can get a ticket anytime you want with the "JR". I like the idea that you don't have to upgrade everything else on the truck just to run the programmer. It provides you with enough extra power to make the truck a lot of fun to drive. Definately wakes it up!!!



Joe F.

 

[SDoumit]

Thanks, I'll be getting one after the first of the year. I'm pretty well sold on the product.

 

[rknichols]

Good luck JoshuaCummins, I've emailed both Wagner and the MADS website trying to get a more definitive answer to the Timing and Torque settings and have gotten no response.

I've copied the text from two sources (MADS website and I think something Wagner had written) and they aren't the same.

 

[MA2LA]

the stock transmission does fairly well with it. I ran with the 100hp loaded for a long time and the trans never complanied. even with my MP8 turned up the trans didn't seem to be to mad at me. But after the 2. 5 flux injectors my trans hates me.

 

[MSimes]

I've heard that the Smarty's make the accelerator more "twitchy". Is this your experience or has the addition been seemless other than more power? thanks



Mike

02 stock 4x4

 

[Bob Wagner]

Been running my Smarty, Jr since shortly after I bought the truck this February, and have nothing bad to say about it so far.

Just uploaded the new REVO tune today, after tweaking the new adjustable options as well, but I can't comment on that yet since I haven't driven anywhere since.

Definitely noticed an increase in MPG on the Economy setting, but as everyone else says -- that's contingent on whether or not you can keep your foot light on the skinny pedal.



Bob,

I have questions about the new adjustable options for the Smarty, Jr. , if you have a few moments.

After reading the information on this page, MADS Electronics - Smarty - CaTCHER - REVO, I'm confused by the brief (mostly one-word) descriptions of the options.



For example:

The Smarty Jr. says Injection Timing # 4 - Advanced ( more timing advance than level # 2 ), but the Smarty S04 says Injection Timing # 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 ).

Can I safely assume that the Smarty, Jr. level #4 for Injection Timing is for better fuel economy also?

Another example is the Torque settings... I can only guess as to what Mild, Soft and Light represent. It doesn't necessarily look to be a progressive increase/decrease of Torque?



I guess the overall question/point is that without trying every possible combination of options, is there a way we can get a bit more info on what to expect from the different settings? That page is the best info I've found so far on what the options represent, but it still leaves me guessing a bit, and I don't think I'm alone in this.



Thanks for everything, as always.

Please do not compare the Smarty timing to the Smarty Jr timing. The timing is way different between the 2 products





The default tiiming and torque should be the best for egt's and fuel economy. The revo options are for those who need or want help with any smoke issue that they may encounter.

 

[Bob Wagner]

I've heard that the Smarty's make the accelerator more "twitchy". Is this your experience or has the addition been seemless other than more power? thanks



Mike

02 stock 4x4

Mike, You may be thinking back to either the catcher ecm days or prior to the Revo release for the 98 -02 trucks.



The new software offer different levels of tq management

 

[Bob Wagner]

Good luck JoshuaCummins, I've emailed both Wagner and the MADS website trying to get a more definitive answer to the Timing and Torque settings and have gotten no response.



I've copied the text from two sources (MADS website and I think something Wagner had written) and they aren't the same.

And I will do my best to answer your email by Monday. Or I can post up the answer here for all.



Thank you

 

[JoshuaCummins]

Bob, thanks for getting back to me -- you always have promptly.

My point was just that the REVO options are there, but not fully described. I don't want you to give away company secrets on how your product works or anything... just pointing out that it was a bit confusing, at least for me.

I actually bumped up to Level 3 today. I have a 500 mile trip next week for the holidays, and I'm going to run that level on the way there, and then back it down to Level 1 on the way home and compare the two. That's the best way I can think of to get a good long distance comparison quickly.

I don't think the accelerator is twitchy, no. I will say that I think Level 3 seems to not react as quickly to the skinny pedal when barely pressing it, but that is with minimal driving.
I think that the low-smoke program before the REVO tune caused more chatter/pinging from my engine, and that could just be me.
Other than that, it's pretty seamless, yes.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

torque management is where you'll feel that "touchy" pedal. I always run mine on stock or mild... higher levels are obviously more touchy and can lead to rail drain

 

[Tomscreek]

Will there ever be a Jr. available for 2nd gen motors? Looks like the perfect upgrade for me.