Ford's new engine...6.7ltr

[Crazy Horse]

Can we get afew more idler pulleys in there? Looks like a plumber's nightmare.

 

[MA2LA]

Can we get afew more idler pulleys in there? Looks like a plumber's nightmare.

I hope they are making thier idler pulleys better than they used to. . I had a few leave me sitting on the side of the road in my work trucks.

 

[Ncostello]

I hope the cab mounts with pins and clips, and quick disconnect everything. Because the possibility of working on this in the engine bay has just been eliminated. Just like the 6. 0 and 6. 4 already was. What a complicated looking deal... even though it does make the power.



Why is GM and Ford so "bent" on using V8's? Is all this worth keeping the V8 power mystique? Can't they make this kind of power using a V6 or I6 design with the proper displacement and component size?



It would be interesting to see what this engine would look like and perform like without the 2010 EPA rules in place. It might actually be a good looking engine when you pop the hood. But two cooling systems? Gee whiz. And over $9000 option? The V10 Triton is probably looking pretty good to alot of people in the near future. $9000 buys a heck of a lot of gas. And spark plugs are cheap!!

 

[HBarlow]

I think all 2010 Ferd diesels will have a nifty gold anodized towing hook mounted on the cab roof. It will make it easier for Ferd owners to lift their cabs off for oil change service after the trucks are out of warranty . . . if any of them ever make it to 100k miles.

The owner will be able to park under his favorite tree limb in front of his mobile home and lift the cab off with a come-along or chain hoist from Harbor Freight.

 

[AClayton]

Now that was funny!!



Alan

 

[mwilson]

Nice!!!

I can picture the whole event, Harvey. :-laf:-laf

 

[Grizzly]

I hope the cab mounts with pins and clips, and quick disconnect everything. Because the possibility of working on this in the engine bay has just been eliminated. Just like the 6. 0 and 6. 4 already was. What a complicated looking deal... even though it does make the power.



Why is GM and Ford so "bent" on using V8's? Is all this worth keeping the V8 power mystique? Can't they make this kind of power using a V6 or I6 design with the proper displacement and component size?



It would be interesting to see what this engine would look like and perform like without the 2010 EPA rules in place. It might actually be a good looking engine when you pop the hood. But two cooling systems? Gee whiz. And over $9000 option? The V10 Triton is probably looking pretty good to alot of people in the near future. $9000 buys a heck of a lot of gas. And spark plugs are cheap!!

That V10 Triton is a real gas hog. $9,000 will only buy you about 36,000 miles according to my calculations. That's based on 10 mpg average and at $2. 50 per gal for gasoline.

 

[Ncostello]

That V10 Triton is a real gas hog. $9,000 will only buy you about 36,000 miles according to my calculations. That's based on 10 mpg average and at $2. 50 per gal for gasoline.

Yes. But at the same time... new Powerstroke owners will be also paying $2. 85/gallon for diesel and getting ever so slightly better fuel economy. Cause they sure don't get 20MPG anymore. Just a guess. Its worth considering now at least.



Everyone (including me) laughs at the F-Series cab removal procedure for engine access. But Ford is getting so good at allowing for this... that someday... they'll have a hydraulic full body tilt like a pro-puller truck. Then we'll see who has service access then!!!



They already have a prototype. YouTube - tilt cab

 

[rscurtis]

According to information I've seen on this new engine, cab removal is not required for service or repair. Repair time for certain items is drastically reduced. Injectors and glow plugs are accessible without removing the valve covers. But I'd venture to guess it takes more than two bolts to change the water pump.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

The Triton V10 is going the way of the dinosaurs

 

[RHestand]

I bought a new 99 F-250, V/10, 4x4, and kept it till 2003. I didn't have any problems with it, except not much power and very thirsty!

Then I bought a new F-250, 6. 0. That eng. more than made up for the lack of mech. problems I've had with all 40 years of Ford gassers.

I'll never own another ferd, unless it has a Cummins in it.

 

[HBarlow]

An old friend of mine is a semi-retired mechanic-shop owner. He has been in business in his own shop since the early 1960s. He prefers to work on GM products but his wife works in a restaurant down the street from his shop and he let his wife talk him into working on a rough-running Furd F150 w/Triton 5. 4 engine a couple months back because it belonged to a cook or waitress who couldn't afford to take it to a Ferd dealer.

The truck was six or eight years old, don't remember exactly. He tried to pull the plugs to replace them and found the spark plugs are deeply recessed down in the cylinder heads and the plugs had corroded or been subjected to electrolosis and it was almost impossible to remove the plugs. The first one he tried to remove was "welded" in the threads and broke off when he tried to remove it. He told me he struggled (and cussed) for hours to remove the broken plug without destroying the threads or removing the head. He finally got the broken base out, replaced it with one new plug, and returned the Furd to it's owner and told him/her "no charge. " He refused to work on it again.

I have heard many experienced mechanics say that experience is fairly typical when working on Furds.

 

[Grizzly]

An old friend of mine is a semi-retired mechanic-shop owner. He has been in business in his own shop since the early 1960s. He prefers to work on GM products but his wife works in a restaurant down the street from his shop and he let his wife talk him into working on a rough-running Furd F150 w/Triton 5. 4 engine a couple months back because it belonged to a cook or waitress who couldn't afford to take it to a Ferd dealer.



The truck was six or eight years old, don't remember exactly. He tried to pull the plugs to replace them and found the spark plugs are deeply recessed down in the cylinder heads and the plugs had corroded or been subjected to electrolosis and it was almost impossible to remove the plugs. The first one he tried to remove was "welded" in the threads and broke off when he tried to remove it. He told me he struggled (and cussed) for hours to remove the broken plug without destroying the threads or removing the head. He finally got the broken base out, replaced it with one new plug, and returned the Furd to it's owner and told him/her "no charge. " He refused to work on it again.



I have heard many experienced mechanics say that experience is fairly typical when working on Furds.

I've had enough personal experience working on my own F-250 gasser, seems like every weekend under the shade of my tree, that I will never own another Furd. Even if it had the mighty Cummins.



I did have a well respected shop rebuild the 390 engine at 104K. I blew that engine pulling my 29' 5er up a long grade at 121K. Had a new factory rebuilt engine installed. At 132K the engine and the truck were getting so bad that I gave the truck away and ordered my first Dodge with a 12v Cummins and a 5 speed manual. That was my 95 dually, which gave me no problems for 10 years. Excellent truck.

 

[rscurtis]

Harvey, that's called a $3000. 00 tune-up. I had a customer at my store who had an E250 with a 4. 6 that he kept in very good condition, and at 160K, with two stripped heads, he went for a reman engine.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Ford Super duty 2011 Scorpian diesel engines new technology will either make or break the truck, without a big 10 year factory warranty and loaner trucks the owner is doomed, no user friendly or cost effective part schedules for maintainance costs. Parts costs will be astronomical and labor intensive procedures due to complicated assemblys will require extensive training for repairs and down time and overhauls at astronomical prices. Might as well be building a space shuttle motor its less complicated.



Oh yea will you still have to pull the cab to work on the motor?



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Complexity is bad!!!!!



simplicity is good ,complication of interdependent assemblys leads to a diagnostic and non cost effective parts repair schedule and exorborent mechanics labor pricing.



How about a simple multi fuel turbine engine electric over hydraulics, pickup truck, aluminum panels and components the weight savings will cause great fuel savings and simplicity.



Austin Diesel

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey, that's called a $3000. 00 tune-up. I had a customer at my store who had an E250 with a 4. 6 that he kept in very good condition, and at 160K, with two stripped heads, he went for a reman engine.

Wow, that's some tuneup! I used to think the Furd 5. 4 gas motor was a good choice in an F-150 because it had a somewhat long stroke with good lower rpm torque for a small gasser V8 and had three valve heads for rpm capability as well. I reversed that opinion when I learned about the spark plugs being stuck in the heads.

No Furds in my future, gas or diesel!

 

[HBarlow]

Ford Super duty 2011 Scorpian diesel engines new technology will either make or break the truck, without a big 10 year factory warranty and loaner trucks the owner is doomed, no user friendly or cost effective part schedules for maintainance costs. Parts costs will be astronomical and labor intensive procedures due to complicated assemblys will require extensive training for repairs and down time and overhauls at astronomical prices. Might as well be building a space shuttle motor its less complicated.

Oh yea will you still have to pull the cab to work on the motor?

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Complexity is bad!!!!!

simplicity is good ,complication of interdependent assemblys leads to a diagnostic and non cost effective parts repair schedule and exorborent mechanics labor pricing.

How about a simple multi fuel turbine engine electric over hydraulics, pickup truck, aluminum panels and components the weight savings will cause great fuel savings and simplicity.

Austin Diesel

I agree with what you wrote. The complexity of that nightmare in your photo combined with Furd's track record on diesel engines would prevent me from even looking at one. Dealers will probably struggle with the decision to send their diesel techs off for days of expensive training.

 

[Austin Diesel]

I agree with what you wrote. The complexity of that nightmare in your photo combined with Furd's track record on diesel engines would prevent me from even looking at one. Dealers will probably struggle with the decision to send their diesel techs off for days of expensive training.

The learning curve for Ford diesel techs and Scorpian tech educational costs will take weeks to absorb and test on to be competent and proficient to be cost effective $$$$$$$$$. When a component breaks it will take out a bunch of other stuff with it.



Maybe they should run this setup in Dakar Auto Rally and Baha 1000 and bullet proof instead of test beds and driving around the usa. how about 24 hours le mans to see if it will unseat the Audi V 12' diesels. Just like Carroll Shelby did !! Heck White ranch could test this one to see if it can be destroyed in the desert.



I see the rods as a weakpoint in the assembly not beefy enough to handle over reves and racing apps. Even though the Fords rods are forged I Beam , The casting mass is lightweight ,the beams and caps are "Rinky Dink". And are not reverse engineered to be grenade proof ,wheres the beef ? Maybe "Carillo" can machine them a billet steel or titianium rod to show them what it should be built like.



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This shares the 4. 5 duramax thinking on cylinder head flows



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Austin Diesel:-laf

 

[rscurtis]

Personally, even though I would never consider one, I would choose this 6. 7 right out of the box over Ford's last two diesel offerings.

 

[JUeckert]

i hope the 6. 7 is a winner for ford, but with aluminum heads and urea injection, i have to wonder. not happy to see the manual option be dropped, but after chevy did it, i figured the rest would follow. it's been rare to find a manual transmission in any brand for several years now. auto makers have less profit margin in a manual equipped truck also. as for international having a inline 6 that would work in fords, it wont. to long,tall and heavy. .