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[SRath]

He moved a thread regarding a major threat to our 2nd Amendment because he felt it was too "political".



Then he closed the thread when that move was protested.



Well, I have news for him: The 2nd Amendment, a fundamental part of ANY shooting forum is inseparable from politics. That thread belonged in BOTH forums. If it could be in only ONE, this is it.



I don't think he is well suited to being a moderator for this forum if he does not understand this.

 

[fest3er]

He moved a thread regarding a major threat to our 2nd Amendment because he felt it was too "political".



Then he closed the thread when that move was protested.



Well, I have news for him: The 2nd Amendment, a fundamental part of ANY shooting forum is inseparable from politics. That thread belonged in BOTH forums. If it could be in only ONE, this is it.



I don't think he is well suited to being a moderator for this forum if he does not understand this.

I believe Dan does understand. I also generally agree with his reason for moving the thread: it is mainly political while touching on guns, etc. Were it mainly guns, etc. while touching on the political and containing a reference to the appropriate thread in Politics, I'd bet a month's wages the thread would still be here.

 

[ata]

One thing we all have to remember. When you have one person making a DECISION. It will always be one sided to the way they think.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Dan asked for input of the other moderators as well. It was moved to the political forum because as said above it was a mostly political posting discussing treaties, the political process, etc. There is still a pointer here in this forum pointing over there and it's a permanent redirect so it will remain here. After reading through the thread I agree that it belongs in the political forum as well. The whole purpose of the political forum is so that people don't have to read or even see the political stuff if they don't want to - and believe it or not there are some people who love guns who don't want to read the political stuff. The reason he closed it wasn't because it was objected to but because the same post was put in the political forum initially as well and there wasn't a need for two seperate thread discussions on the same topic. I would combine the two threads except that would remove the redirect from here.

 

[Dl5treez]

One thing I would NEVER do is make a judgement call on my own without running it by the other moderators, and Steve & Robin as well.



We make decisions here as a group.





Politically based threads belong in one place--the Politics Forum.



Yes, there are threads in this forum which talk about the 2nd Amendment, but do so in a 2nd Amendment specific kind of way. They don't go off on tangents about our President being a radical Muslim, not a legally born U. S. citizen, etc.



And, like Steve said, there are many gun and sportsman/outdoor enthusiasts who would rather use this forum for talking about their hobbies and not about government. That is specifically why the Politics Forum was made so many years back... . to keep heated political debates OUT of the topic-specific discussion forums.



The redirect will remain here permanently and no relevant posts in the original thread have been modified. There is also a link at the bottom of the moved thread that will direct people to the other thread about the same topic, that is also in the Politics forum.



My apologies for not responding sooner than now, but I had an elk tag to fill this morning, and took full advantage of the dropped snow level to get out before the butt crack of dawn and fill it.



Oh, and in case anybody is wondering, you can get kicked out of my local gun shop if you talk politics so this isn't the only place it happens. :-laf



Cheers,



Dan

 

[BILLVO]

Oh, and in case anybody is wondering, you can get kicked out of my local gun shop if you talk politics so this isn't the only place it happens. :-laf



Cheers,



Dan

Obey submit and comply... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....



I see how it is now

 

[Dl5treez]

Obey submit and comply... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....



I see how it is now

Well, we could have deleted your duplicate thread entirely and PM'd you a friendly reminder about spamming the boards but chose not to. So it looks like we gave you special treatment.

 

[SRath]

Dead weight

Well Dan, If you prohibit talking politics in a gun shop, then you are part of the problem and don't deserve the protection those of us who do FIGHT for your right to make a living on a political battleground. I wouldn't buy a BB gun from such a store. Just my opinion and I stand by what I said.

The 2nd Amendment and politics are inseparable. That is NOT our choice. We did not pick the fight. But, unlike you, thankfully, many of us won't stick our head in the sand and let others fight for us when so many want to take away and violate that Right.

MUCH LESS TRY TO SHUT UP THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING YOUR BATTLE FOR YOU!!

 

[Dl5treez]

Well Dan, If you prohibit talking politics in a gun shop, then you are part of the problem and don't deserve the protection those of us who do FIGHT for your right to make a living on a political battleground. I wouldn't buy a BB gun from such a store. Just my opinion and I stand by what I said.

The 2nd Amendment and politics are inseparable. That is NOT our choice. We did not pick the fight. But, unlike you, thankfully, many of us won't stick our head in the sand and let others fight for us when so many want to take away and violate that Right.

MUCH LESS TRY TO SHUT UP THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING YOUR BATTLE FOR YOU!!

I must say if you want to debate, then fine, we can do that, just don't get offended if I say something you don't like.

There is a time and a place for talking the politics of anything, and the TDR has set aside a specific forum to do that.

"Back in the day" it was brought to the attention of Robin Patton and Steve St. Laurent by a large group of members that they, the members, wanted a separate area to discuss politics because they, the members, were tired of wading through all of the debating in the regular discussion forums.

So, that being said, before you throw stones and question my stance on anything, perhaps you should do your research and figure out the real reason the thread was moved had nothing to do with squelching, eliminated, or otherwise blocking the discussion from occurring. It was moved because it belongs in the Politics Forum.

If you have this big of a problem with it, and consider this a personal crusade against you, and others in your opinion bracket, by myself or other anti-2nd Amendment tyrants, perhaps you are letting anger and frustration cloud your judgment to a point where your rational ability to maintain composure could come into question..... are you sure you are of competent mental aptitude to responsibly use a firearm in stressful times? You aren't going to 'snap' and open fire on my house are you?

Again, this was a decision made by the entire group of moderators, not just myself. If you have this big of a problem with it, you have two whole threads in the Politics Forums where you can discuss it. Or, let Steve and Robin know of the unjust persecution I have bestowed upon you with my radical head-in-sand actions.

As for the gun shop, it is a very popular place and I would wager quite a chunk of money that over 90% of the customers appreciate having no heated political arguments there. Purely a straw poll opinion here of course.


Regards... . Dan-

 

[HBarlow]

I've had a couple of my posts deleted in the past year or so because I made political comments in threads not in the political forum. The comments I made were political and I knew they were.

No big deal. I broke the rules, a moderator moved or deleted my post. So what? I was wrong, I accept responsibility for my mistakes, no hard feelings.

In my experience TDR management and forum moderators lean over backwards to allow us to shoot off our mouths as we wish about 90% of the time and only rein us in when absolutely necessary and only when we are clearly, unquestionably out of line. In my own experience a few more of my posts have contained political comments or at least border line political comments and nobody deleted them. i certainly don't feel anyone has censored my comments unfairly.

I admire the folks who own the TDR as well as those who help manage it. The TDR forum is THE MOST VALUABLE resource for Dodge-Cummins owners that I am aware of. TDR is also better for representing the interests of Dodge-Cummins owners than other forums are for representing the interests of that product or brand of product. TDR is # 1.

To me TDR is worth far more than the cost of membership. The knowledge I have acquired via TDR, the new friends I have made, the good times I have enjoyed at TDR gatherings, are worth more than I could afford to pay.

Rules are established for the benefit of the success of the forum and all of its members. I think they are pretty reasonable. I can live with them.

Keep up the good work, TDR moderators.

 

[SRath]

Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way

Instead, you sidestep the issue and question my "mental stability". I call that cowardly and laughable. Do you use a spotlight on elk, too?



There is no Right set forth in the Constitution that is attacked as much as the 2nd Amendment unless it is the 1st Amendment, and it is becoming quite clear where you sit on that one, too. In the way.



"The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance", or you can just let others do the hard part for you while you profit from it.

 

[SRath]

We can trade cheap shots all day. I want to hear you defend your position of profiting from others' efforts to keep you in business while going out of your way to obstruct them.

 

[fest3er]

1. Any discussion of interpersonal relations, whether the subject is person-to-person, person-to-group or group-to-group, is, by definition, political; this thread itself concerns TDR politics. The Politics forum was created to segregate political discussions concerning our governments from the rest of the fora.
   
2. The Constitution of the United States of America and the constitutions of the several states are, by and large, laws that define prescribed and proscribed government actions. There is nothing in the US Constitution that prescribes or proscribes the actions of private business. There may be other law that prohibits discrimination based on various classifications and orientations; but those laws cannot run counter to the Constitution's guarantee of the right of the people to freely associate, to peaceably assemble. Part and parcel to that is the right of an organization to control and direct discussions that occur under its aegis; to join an organization, one must agree to the terms and conditions of membership.
   
3. This thread itself does not belong in this forum. It should be moved to the Website Suggestions/Comments/Questions forum, which is the proper place to discuss TDR web site politics.

 

[Dl5treez]

We can trade cheap shots all day. I want to hear you defend your position of profiting from others' efforts to keep you in business while going out of your way to obstruct them.

I don't own the gun shop. I'm a customer there. That is all. When I said "my local gun shop" I meant 'local to me' not like 'I own it. ' I used this just as an example. Some people don't like to talk politics in certain environments because, as this issue shows, it can easily detract from why people go there to begin with. Sorry if this caused confusion.

I don't profit from anything, in fact I spend way too much money there. He got me for $30 today for some mags for one of my Sigs.

. . and I didn't obstruct anything. I moved a political based thread into the Politics Forum per the Website Guidelines.

Gun threads that go political for a post or two have stayed here. 2nd Amendment threads that don't get political have stayed here.

Threads about an international gun trafficking treaty that some people feel has the potential to possibly do something to maybe at one point in the future begin a process to possibly infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights, then goes on to discuss our Presidents religion, citizenship, etc... . well, that's not a gun thread, nor is it a 2nd Amendment thread. It is a political thread, and that is the only reason I moved it. If it was edited to stay in this forum, nothing would be left of it.

Like I said before, we can talk guns, shooting, hunting, etc in this forum. No politics.

Not my rule, not my decision. I just volunteer here. For free. Because I like Cummins trucks. And guns.

 

[hcole]

Srath, suppose we were talking about 98. 5-2002 24v and you started talking about the new low sulfur fuel and the gov't role in stuffing the fuel down our throats. I'm on there to try to figure out my 24v problem and I have to wade through a lot of posts arguing about sorry fuel. This could get tiresome. I am a BIG 2nd amendment supporter and enjoy guns but I will have to support the moderators here. I think the politics should be left out because even if you are a conservative like myself, we probably will disagree on the answers to political problems. The answers to political problems, unfortunately aren't like repairing our trucks, where there is ONE fix to a problem. Let's keep the politics in the proper forum. Flame away.

 

[snuff]

holy ****, give it a rest... .....

 

[fest3er]

holy ****, give it a rest... .....

Now why didn't I think of that? A Monty Python quote is just about perfect here: "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem!" You beat me to it! Waah!