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Went to Flying J after picking up my work trailer to weigh the combo. The gross weight was 19580 with fat ol driver and a full load of fuel. The front axle was 4300, the rear was 5420 and trailer was 9860 lbs. Of course havent' picked up any cargo which would be water, up to 600 gallons. SO maybe I better save up for a 3500 dually, eh?



A little info on the truck, I have Michelin 285/70/17s which are E rated. The trailer has an Onan generator set with a 50 gal tank and a 4BT under the hood. The gen fires a 20 HP electric motor which runs a Dekker liquid ring pump for vacuuming up spilled gas from underground tanks. The knockout tank is 200 gallons with an effective volume of about 170 gallons and there is a 525 gallon poly tank which is unfortunately located at the nose of the trailer. WHen its full, it beats the crap out of the truck and driver for sure! The two trailer axles are 7000 lb rated each. Thankfully I upgraded the trans to a 3-disc torque convertor and a deep dish cooling pan.



ANy and all feedback is welcomed!



Cheers,

Ken
 
yes , you may need a dually in the near future. your poly tank full of fuel weighs 3500 add that to your rear tires and that will make a may-pop .
 
A dually for sure is in the future. The gooseneck might not be an option, but its worth consideration. The current trailer configuration needs tinkering with..... heres a picture I took with my phone..... cant get the dang picture to rotate... sorry!
 
yes , you may need a dually in the near future. your poly tank full of fuel weighs 3500 add that to your rear tires and that will make a may-pop .



Its 99 percent water so its 7. 5 lbs per gallon. Decided today to not go over 350 gallons in the poly tank and keep the knockout tank full to balance it out a little. The ride is not as bad that way.
 
I don't know why I figured on gas , just because he said spilled gas was the problem , gas being about 6. 5 a gallon , it's overloaded anyway.
 
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You got that right!

2 options... ... ... ... .



Less load or more truck.



More truck would be appreciated! :) Until that happens, I added SuperSprings to level out the ride. Its amazing how smooth a ride it is now, I thought it would be harsher, but the extra leaves in combo with the roller makes it very comfortable when unloaded.



Ken
 
STill legal...barely

should there be a GCWR concern, and therefore a legal issue with this set up?



With 600 gallons I would be a bit over 24K lbs which is below the 26K threshold which requires a CDL. That said, I'm going to definitely keep the load under 500 gallons from now on.



Ken
 
Isn't the CDL limit for trailers 9,999 lbs or a CDL is needed? I'm pretty sure in MN it is but farm use has other rules to go by here also. Might not hurt to check with the Commercial Vehicle Inspectors just to avoid the fine. Also gotta say I love my dually, night and day difference towing, especially in the wind. Good luck and stay safe.
 
NY Law wich should be basically the same in all states because the FED sets the regs

1. "Commercial motor vehicle" shall mean a motor vehicle or
combination of vehicles having a gross combination weight rating of more
than ten thousand pounds used in commerce to transport property and it
shall include a tow truck with a gross vehicle weight rating of at least
eighty-six hundred pounds.
2. "Gross vehicle weight rating" or "GVWR" shall mean the weight of a
vehicle consisting of the unladen weight and the maximum carrying
capacity recommended by the manufacturer of such vehicle. The GVWR of a
combination of vehicles commonly referred to as the gross combination
weight rating or GCWR is the GVWR of the power unit plus the GVWR of
each vehicle in the combination.
3. "Commercial driver" shall mean every person who is self-employed or
employed by a commercial motor carrier and who drives a commercial motor
vehicle for hire or profit.
4. "Commercial motor carrier" shall mean any person, corporation, or
entity, who directs one or more commercial motor vehicles and who
operates a commercial motor vehicle wholly within or partly within and
partly without this state in connection with the operation or
administration of any business.

§ 501-a. Definitions. The following terms when used in this article
and in articles twenty and thirty-one of this chapter, shall have the
following meanings:
1. Commercial driver's license or CDL. A class A or B driver's license
or a class C driver's license which bears an H, P or X endorsement,
which licenses contain the legend commercial driving license or CDL
thereon and which is issued in accordance with the commercial motor
vehicle safety act of 1986, public law 99-570, title XII, and this
article which authorizes a person to operate a commercial motor vehicle.
2. Gross vehicle weight rating or GVWR. The weight of a vehicle
consisting of the unladen weight and the maximum carrying capacity
recommended by the manufacturer of such vehicle. The GVWR of a
combination of vehicles (commonly referred to as the "Gross Combination
Weight Rating" or GCWR) is the GVWR of the power unit plus the GVWR of
each vehicle in the combination.
3. Hazardous materials. Any material that has been designated as
hazardous under 49 U. S. C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under
subpart F of 49 CFR part 172 or any quantity of a material listed as a
select agent or toxin in 42 CFR part 73.
4. Commercial motor vehicle. (a) A motor vehicle or combination of
vehicles designed or used to transport passengers or property:
(i) which has a GVWR of more than twenty-six thousand pounds; or
(ii) which has a GCWR of more than twenty-six thousand pounds,
including any towed unit with a GVWR of more than ten thousand pounds;
or
(iii) designed or used to transport fifteen or more passengers, in
addition to the driver; or
(iv) defined as a bus in subdivision one of section five hundred
nine-a of this chapter; or
(v) of any size, other than a farm vehicle operated within one hundred
fifty miles of the operator's farm, used in the transportation of
materials found by the United States secretary of transportation to be
hazardous under the hazardous materials transportation act and which
requires the motor vehicle transporting such materials to be placarded
under the hazardous materials regulation, 49 CFR part 172, subpart F or
is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or
toxin in 42 CFR part 73.
(b) However, a commercial motor vehicle shall not include: (i) a
personal use vehicle or a farm vehicle or a combination of such
vehicles; (ii) any motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles
operated by a member of the armed forces for military purposes; (iii) a
police vehicle or fire vehicle, or combination of such vehicles during
its use in an emergency operation as defined in section one hundred
fourteen-b of this chapter, or in the performance of official duties, or
activities related to the execution of emergency governmental functions
pursuant to section 383. 3 (d)(2) of title 49 of the code of federal
regulations; (iv) a vehicle or combination of vehicles owned and
identified as being owned by the state or a political subdivision
thereof or an ambulance service as defined in subdivision two of section
three thousand one of the public health law or a voluntary ambulance
service as defined in subdivision three of such section and used to
provide emergency medical service as defined in section three thousand
one of the public health law, or to perform official duties, or
activities related to the execution of emergency governmental functions
pursuant to section 383. 3 (d)(2) of title 49 of the code of federal
regulations; or (v) a vehicle or combination of vehicles which is
designed and primarily used for purposes other than the transportation
of persons or property and which is operated on a public highway only

occasionally for the purpose of being transported to a construction or
off-highway site at which its primary purpose is to be performed except
as may otherwise be specifically provided by regulation of the
commissioner. For the purposes of this paragraph, the term "member of
the armed forces" shall include active duty military personnel; members
of the reserve components of the armed forces; members of the national
guard on active duty, including personnel on full time active guard
duty, personnel on part-time national guard training, and national guard
military technicians (civilians who are required to wear military
uniforms); and active duty United States coast guard personnel. The term
shall not include United States reserve technicians. Notwithstanding the
provisions of section one hundred fourteen-b of this chapter, for the
purposes of this paragraph, the term "emergency operation" shall include
returning from emergency service.
5. Representative vehicle. The type of motor vehicle or combination of
vehicles specified by regulation of the commissioner that an applicant
for a driver's license must operate during a road test in order to
receive a specific class of license or endorsement.
6. Tank vehicle. Any commercial motor vehicle designed to transport
any liquid or gaseous material within a tank that is either permanently
or temporarily attached to the vehicle or the chassis. Such vehicles
include, but are not limited to, cargo and portable tanks, as defined in
49 CFR part 171. However, this definition does not include portable
tanks having a rated capacity under one thousand gallons.
7. Farm vehicle. A vehicle having a GVWR of not more than twenty-six
thousand pounds which is controlled and operated by a farmer, is used to
transport agricultural products, farm machinery, farm supplies or all of
the aforementioned to or from the farm and is not used in the operations
of a common or contract motor carrier and, such a vehicle having a GVWR
of more than twenty-six thousand pounds while being used within one
hundred fifty miles of the person's farm.
8. Personal use vehicle. A vehicle constructed or altered to be used
for recreational purposes which is exclusively used to transport family
members and/or personal possessions of such family members for
non-business recreational purposes by the operator, or a rental truck
which is exclusively used to transport personal possessions of the
person who has rented the truck for non-business purposes.
 
Good thing I'm in SC and not NY! "Any truck with an empty weight of 9,000 lbs or less and a GVW of 11,000 lbs or less can be classified as a passenger vehicle and display any license plate that a passenger vehicle can display. " The truck empty and not attached to the trailer is 7850 lbs. With the trailer its 19580. The tank is portable and less than 1000 gallons. The cargo is exempt from hazmat regs (petroleum exemption). Am wondering how much extra a long bed dually would weigh... . 1000 pounds? Even so, I'm still below all SC thresholds for commercial ratings even though I have a commercial insurance policy on it! And this truck-trailer is only used in SC! No crossing state lines anymore for this old trucker... .

Ken
 
CDL would not be required anyway. New York laws posted below (second bullet) states that a CDL is required IF the GCWR is 26,001 lbs or more. Would still be considered a commercial vehicle though.



1. 1 - Commercial Motor Vehicles (CMV)

You must have a Commercial Driver License (CDL) to operate any of the following CMVs:

 Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.

 A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross combination weight rating

(GCWR) is 26,001 pounds or more.


 A vehicle designed to transport 15 or more passengers (excluding the driver) or a vehicle

defined as a bus under Article 19-A, Section 509-a of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law (VTL).

 Any size vehicle that is used in the transportation of any material that requires hazardous

materials placards or any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR 73.

Federal regulations through the Department of Homeland Security require a background check

and fingerprinting for the Hazardous Materials endorsement.
 
I don't know about your end of the state, but down here in the Pee Dee area we have some DOT people that would give you a Maalox moment. Regardless of tag, license, springs, tires, etc, if you have as much weight on your rear axle (tires) when loaded as I'm guessing you have, the boys in black will get out their Bics if they spy you. Mark
 
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Its a commercial purpose so CDL would apply. The non CDL allowance is for recreational vehicles/ use only

Not true!

Federal DOT regulations do not require a CDL unless GCW or GCWR exceed 26,000 lbs. and the trailer exceeds 10,000 lbs. Recreational vehicles are exempt but some states have established and require a Class A operator license to ensure higher levels of knowledge and skill.
 
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