Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Home defense/Security, 12 ga., Pump shotguns???

[BIGNASTY]

That's for sure

Whoever advocates a pistol grip on a 12 gauge doesn't shoot 3/00... Come on over with your pistol grip equipped shotgun and we will shoot the same loads. I guarantee my shoulder will outlast your wrist.

:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[Crazy Horse]

Home defense/Security, 12 ga. , Pump shotguns???

Here is (IMHO) the mother of all self defense (human or bear) guns available. The Mossberg it takes 3" magnum, double OO buck shot, followed with alternating rounds of slugs if desired. When I moved to Alaska in 1982 shortly there after arriving, I traded in my 357 s&w for a s&w 629 which had much more knock down power especially with the right reload. While hunting in the back country the 44 left me feeling a little in secure so I opted to compare damage done to various targets with the 44 mag and the 3" 12 gauge loads. The Mossberg won hands down. There was one place we hunted in a remote area we went back to every year. One year cutting trail into where we would set up our camp there was a carcass of a Caribou killed and buried within a 1/4 mile from our camp. It was spooky driving over the carcass heading in, it was right in the middle of the trail. Sleeping in the tent for the next 2 weeks I did feel allot better knowing the Mossberg was at my side loaded.



The Mossberg goes through Canadaian customs fine, I put the shoulder stock on in place of the pistol grip and had no problems. One thing I did do was put a shoulder strap on it for carrying on my back, cutting brsh brush it fits on your back well without catching tree limbs or brush.

 

[Crazy Horse]

Now that we live down near cities this is my choice as defender upstairs. :-laf:-laf



You can never be too safe with these new "home invasions" people are trying.

 

[BIGNASTY]

next door

Now that we live down near cities this is my choice as defender upstairs. :-laf:-laf



You can never be too safe with these new "home invasions" people are trying.

Can I move in next door to you l like the way you think

 

[Crazy Horse]

Can I move in next door to you l like the way you think

Come on down! It's kinda hot now but the winters are nice.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

Mossberg 500 is the one for me carried one for 19 months in Viet Nam no jams no frills just dependable firepower

Welcome home brother. Thank you for your service. Most the guys who carried those 500's were MP's. Roger on the dependable firepower. VC hated that weapon or so we were told by INTEL. The 500's gave us a sense of security especially when close to the wire where anything could happen quickly. Talk about 'sweeping' the kill zone. Dude!

 

[BGlidewell]

Shot guns are awesome. Every able-bodied man should have at least one. Like has been said the 870 or mossberg 590 non pistal grip is the way to go. I have both and like the way the 590 loads a bit better. Buck shot is effective to 20 or so yards. Slugs out to 100. A mix of shot and slugs with some tactical loading experience and you can cover many situations.

 

[viper700]

Canadian weapon info

I have made many trips from Anchorage to Yuma since 2002. What I have learned is it costs $25. 00 canadian for a 60 day permit. So being gone for the winter I have to pay $25. 00 each way. I have more money in Canadian fees than I paid for my mossberg 500 9 years ago. It is best to go online and down load the permit application off your computer and already have it all filled out. You can fill it out on line from there program and print out on your printer at home. It says to make it out in 3 copies and that is a waste of time. They will fill out 1 copy and make extra copies on there copy machine if needed. The permit form is called "CAFC 909 EF". Once I went through with a pistol grip and it was fine. On the way back I had a customs officer go into orbit as he told me that was illegal. He was going to confiscate my shotgun. I told him I wanted to speak to his supervisor as I had the canadian rules that said it was legal. As it turned out for him to save face I had to put the shoulder stock back on in his presence. Since then going through canada I keep the long stock on and when I get through I put the pistol grip back on. I have real nice short gun case for the pistol grip shotgun. It would be easier to get the gun working in an emergency with the pistol grip. I usually only carry 10 rounds on the road in 00 Buck. Also carry canadian money as they don't do an exchange rate in the customs places. Some times if they are short on personnel and that person might not be able to have access to the credit card machine. The Mossberg works good with the 18. 5" barrel and the pistol grip stock, easy to get to confined in a vehicle.

After 14 trips that's what I have done and not gotten into any problems . Use this link to find out about what to do.



BSF5044 - Importing a Firearm or Weapon Into Canada



Joe B

 

[BIGNASTY]

welcome home

Welcome home brother. Thank you for your service. Most the guys who carried those 500's were MP's. Roger on the dependable firepower. VC hated that weapon or so we were told by INTEL. The 500's gave us a sense of security especially when close to the wire where anything could happen quickly. Talk about 'sweeping' the kill zone. Dude!

I thank the 58,000 im just one of the lucky one's that got to come home above ground.

 

[Buffalo]

I Finally Bought It.

Recently, I found a new Rem. 870, synthetic stock, 18" barrel (considered to be actually 18-1/2", as I understand), 5 shot capacity & matte finish. Got it for $250 at a sporting goods store in the Phoenix area.



Also, picked up a two round Rem. extension for $29. 99 at the same store & bought a Rem. Super-Cell recoil pad, online, for about $17. 00.



Tried it out in the desert & it seems to work well. I've wanted one of these since about 1990 so, it's about time I got one.



Thanks for all your suggestions. I appreciated all of them. Lots of good information from you guys.



Joe F.

 

[RustyJC]

There are 2 870s on our bedroom wall right now - my 12 ga short barrel open choke loaded with #1 buck and my wife's 20 ga loaded with heavy dove load. Makes a person sleep better at night.



Rusty

 

[The patriot]

Buff, you stole it!

Are you sure theyre factory remington extensions for that price?

That's CHEAP!

I got one a while back brand new with a non factory ext for $200. It even had VERY nice wood for an express model. Nice grainy walnut, at least it looks like walnut.

 

[WesJohnston]

Just a thought - the 870 'Marine' is a stainless steel version with a synthetic stock. Not a "traditional" looking weapon but they aren't susceptible to the rust problems that you find in the moist air ans salt spray. I spent 3 yrs on Kodiak Island as a kid, still remember folks fighting the rust!

 

[DRAG DIESEL]

Recently, I found a new Rem. 870, synthetic stock, 18" barrel (considered to be actually 18-1/2", as I understand), 5 shot capacity & matte finish. Got it for $250 at a sporting goods store in the Phoenix area.



Also, picked up a two round Rem. extension for $29. 99 at the same store & bought a Rem. Super-Cell recoil pad, online, for about $17. 00.



Tried it out in the desert & it seems to work well. I've wanted one of these since about 1990 so, it's about time I got one.



Thanks for all your suggestions. I appreciated all of them. Lots of good information from you guys.



Joe F.

Nice Joe! Good buys all the way around! Glad to see your doing well! Make sure your fire that thing a few times, I had a "newer" one (last year) jam up on me while on the skeet line. Apparently it was a known issue resolved by some local warrantied gun smithing.

 

[DSpringstead]

I don't mean to be the devil's advocate here guys but if a 870 or 500 is good self defense, then why don't people hunt with them? My personal choice would be a 44 Mag.

No much on 4 legs let alone 2 can stand up to a 44 Mag with a 330 Gr super hard cast bullet. That's made for pure penetration. One ill shot from a shotgun and a bear will have enough adreniline to strip a 50 yd circle clean of vegetation before it drops, or drops you. I realize that pistols are hard to get thru Canada but you CAN get them thru. Remember that Bear encounters are at close range & if it does happen, it's hard enough to swing a barrel of a shotgun than a pistol. This was advice from a friend who travels to Alaska every year to prospect. He carries S&W 500. Just a thought... ...

 

[BGlidewell]

Why don't people hunt with them? They DO. Just like there are fly fishers and cane poles.

A shot gun is excellent for self defense in a home. It is a specialized tool that can be made somewhat versatile with ammunition. It can also be used where penetration of other types of rifles would be a liability. It is a devastating weapon with both psychological AND physiological impact. Every man should own and be proficient in their operation. They have limits like most tools and the right tool for the right job means a better outcome. From 0-20 yards, it's hard to beat buck shot, then there are slugs out to 100 yards. Then it's . 30 caliber time.

"Pistols are for getting to rifles!" This maxim, told by men of war has been around for years.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Some states require shotguns when hunting Deer. If you have ever seen a deer shot with a slug it's not pretty. And it blood shots a bunch of meat