CEL turned out to be P2262 code

[HBarlow]

Warranty agreements, if provided, between Chrysler and the many vendors who supply parts to Chrysler including, perhaps, the Cummins engine mean nothing to the owner of a Dodge Ram with Cummins engine.

The warranty we receive with the purchase of a new Dodge Ram is administered and funded by Dodge, nobody else. Whether Cummins reimburses Dodge, or not, is of no consequence to Dodge owners. Cummins provides no warranty to Dodge owners or Dodge dealers. If Cummins provides a warranty on their OEM engines when installed in Dodge Rams it is a matter between Dodge and Cummins.

Has any Dodge owner ever asked Cummins to back a warranty on their engine? What warranty? No such warranty exists.

No Dodge owner I have ever known has claimed he has a written warranty from Cummins unless it is a Cummins reman purchased from a Cummins dealer in a Dodge with no remaining warranty from Dodge.

If someone has a Cummins engine warranty issued by Cummins on a new Dodge Ram please post a copy here.

 

[MullenaxM]

When did Cummins start paying claims on Rams ?

Well put Harvey, But the original question is quoted above. But you are right, The Engine and emissions systems are covered for 5 years or 100k miles, It is does not matter who's paying the bill as long as it's not me. It's kind of like trying to pick the fly crap out of the pepper.



Mike

 

[AH64ID]

Warranty agreements, if provided, between Chrysler and the many vendors who supply parts to Chrysler including, perhaps, the Cummins engine mean nothing to the owner of a Dodge Ram with Cummins engine.

The warranty we receive with the purchase of a new Dodge Ram is administered and funded by Dodge, nobody else. Whether Cummins reimburses Dodge, or not, is of no consequence to Dodge owners. Cummins provides no warranty to Dodge owners or Dodge dealers. If Cummins provides a warranty on their OEM engines when installed in Dodge Rams it is a matter between Dodge and Cummins.

Has any Dodge owner ever asked Cummins to back a warranty on their engine? What warranty? No such warranty exists.

No Dodge owner I have ever known has claimed he has a written warranty from Cummins unless it is a Cummins reman purchased from a Cummins dealer in a Dodge with no remaining warranty from Dodge.

If someone has a Cummins engine warranty issued by Cummins on a new Dodge Ram please post a copy here.

Thats the same point I was trying to get across, its a Mopar/Dodge/Ram warranty, and can only be covered by them. I have also been told by Cummins reps that there is no warranty between Mopar/Dodge/Ram and Cummins.

 

[MullenaxM]

I think we are discussing two different points here, The original question I was answering was," Does Cummins pay claims on Dodge Trucks". They do. The other point , Are Dodge/Ram Trucks covered by a Cummins Warranty? No they are not. Can a Cummins dealer do warranty work on your Dodge/Ram Truck? No they can't. Does Cummins warrant your Truck Cummins engine and emission system, Yes they do, but the warranty is administered through your Chrysler/Dodge Dealer.



Mike

 

[KLauber]

Fuel

There are a few things you can do, Oil changes and Clean Air filters are on the right track. Also fuel filters are very... VERY important.



"Driving it like you stole it" is not the answer though.



There are a few other things that you can do.



But since I haven't been on my "Soap Box" for awhile, I Think I'll start another thread so I can elaborate.





Mike Mullenax

Mike,



Do you know if the cetane rating of the fuel is an issue? I stopped by a Marathon here in Greenville and they had a sticker on the pump saying the fuel was a minimum of 40 cetane.



Ken

 

[MullenaxM]

Mike,



Do you know if the cetane rating of the fuel is an issue? I stopped by a Marathon here in Greenville and they had a sticker on the pump saying the fuel was a minimum of 40 cetane.



Ken

I don't think the cetane rating is a issue. The cetane rating is a number applied to a measurement of diesel fuel related to the amount of time it takes for diesel fuel to auto-ignite from the point of injection. The higher the cetane rating the quicker the fuel auto-ignites. Most states have adopted a minimum cetane rating of 40 and passed laws to that effect. The normal average we see is about 41 to 45 cetane rating. The only way we have to test for cetane rating is to send a fuel sample to a lab and have it tested. The test I use is a specific gravity test that will give me a BTU temperature that I can use, I have tested so many fuel samples that I feel very confident that I can tell good fuel from bad fuel.



Mike

 

[KLauber]

Soot origin

I don't think the cetane rating is a issue. The cetane rating is a number applied to a measurement of diesel fuel related to the amount of time it takes for diesel fuel to auto-ignite from the point of injection. The higher the cetane rating the quicker the fuel auto-ignites. Most states have adopted a minimum cetane rating of 40 and passed laws to that effect. The normal average we see is about 41 to 45 cetane rating. The only way we have to test for cetane rating is to send a fuel sample to a lab and have it tested. The test I use is a specific gravity test that will give me a BTU temperature that I can use, I have tested so many fuel samples that I feel very confident that I can tell good fuel from bad fuel.



Mike

If we have good fuel, clean air filter, clean fuel filter and change our oil every 5000 miles or whenever, where is the soot being generated that is defeating the turbo and/or EGR valve, etc? (Assuming an even mix of towing and grocery gettin. . ) Your thoughts... start a new thread maybe...



Ken

 

[HBarlow]

That's a good question.

It may be a question only for Ram pickup owners which makes me wonder why.

As I reported a few months ago, I had a couple of friends, former Dodge dealer mechanics, perform my EGR cleaning preventive maintenance procedure. When disassembled at around 70-75k miles my cab and chassis version's EGR was clean as a whistle.

Does the emissions control equipment on a pickup version of the ISB6. 7 cause that much soot recycling? My truck is never driven less than ten miles each way over a highway with a speed limit of 70mph and usually greater distances but other than that my drive cycle is probably not dissimilar to everyone else.

 

[DBithell]

There are a few things you can do, Oil changes and Clean Air filters are on the right track. Also fuel filters are very... VERY important.



"Driving it like you stole it" is not the answer though.



There are a few other things that you can do.



But since I haven't been on my "Soap Box" for awhile, I Think I'll start another thread so I can elaborate.





Mike Mullenax

Mike: Thanks. When you have time please do start another thread & elaborate on how to prolong turbo life.



Mike & Harvey: agree, doesn't matter to me who pays the warranty as long as it's not me, noted 3yr dodge and 5yr cummins only because it's differentiated in the oem warranty book. Only concern I had with the difference was if dodge is such a stickler on warranty work for example a K&N (oiled) air filter could be blaimed for turbo failure... would there be a change in their attitude (positive or negative) towards warranty work after year 3... when it's cummin's dime. For example producing a record of oil changes for someone who does their own would be tough. One could easily conclude Cummins wants too reduce the warranty expense it pays dodge during that time period.



What are your thoughts on ANY oil going from CCV into the intake tube pre-turbo? I assume that would be bad but entirely possible for it to do so.



Thanks.

 

[MullenaxM]

New Tread coming, I will give my thoughs and observations and findings, Ya'll just keep in mind that I'm a Technician and not a Typist, so give me a little time. alot of thoughts to convey.



Mike

 

[sag2]

Mike: Thanks. When you have time please do start another thread & elaborate on how to prolong turbo life.



Mike & Harvey: agree, doesn't matter to me who pays the warranty as long as it's not me, noted 3yr dodge and 5yr cummins only because it's differentiated in the oem warranty book. Only concern I had with the difference was if dodge is such a stickler on warranty work for example a K&N (oiled) air filter could be blaimed for turbo failure... would there be a change in their attitude (positive or negative) towards warranty work after year 3... when it's cummin's dime. For example producing a record of oil changes for someone who does their own would be tough. One could easily conclude Cummins wants too reduce the warranty expense it pays dodge during that time period.



What are your thoughts on ANY oil going from CCV into the intake tube pre-turbo? I assume that would be bad but entirely possible for it to do so.



Thanks.

OK, I'll jump in here. Cummins reimburses Chrysler for a portion of the warranty cost for ALL repairs, regardless if the truck is in the 3/36 basic or extended power train warranty period. It works on a percentage basis of the total expense less the percent of parts inspected with no trouble found. So every so often the engineers (Cummins and Dodge) get together to inspect the parts returned under warranty by the dealers. If they inspect parts representing $1,000 worth of repairs and $800 of those are in deed defective, Cummins reimburses Chrysler 80% of whatever the total $ amount of warranty $ Chrysler spent on Cummins repairs during that period. So you can see why dealers are first of all required to return many of the parts they replace, and second, that Chrysler does not want to pay for mis-diagnosed or modified/tampered parts under warranty.

As for the oil change records, and fuel filter records are way more important than oil, they are required by Chrysler in the event of a failure to show the customer did his part to properly maintain the truck. They have never been requested by Cummins that I know of. All you have to do is keep a receipt. If you buy a six pack from Geno's, keep the receipt and log the change in your maintenance

book.

Some oil residue from the CCV is normal, but it should not be dripping. Any more than residue indicates a problem with the system (air or CCV filter plugged, etc) and should be looked at immediately. The scan tool displays crankcase pressure and it can be used to quickly identify a problem. Remember an engine starved for air will pull that air from wherever it can, including the crankcase, so keep the intake air filter clean.

 

[MullenaxM]

Welcome sag2, Good point, anytime you do your own maintenance work, always keep the parts receipt. Keeping a log book of maintenance repairs you do on your truck is almost a necessity. You probably know as well as I do that Chrysler Is getting very particular about maintenance Records. When we do any warranty emissions repairs we are required to document a number of data parameters stored in the ECM that pertain to DTC freeze frame data. Under certain conditions we are also required to do fuel system tests and document fuel condition. Also we are required to document the condition of the air filter and fuel filter. And somtimes we are asked to document maintenance records.



Mike