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Just saw a commercial, and had to go look:
From Chevy's Website
New exhaust brake system(10) included with the available Duramax Diesel, uses the technology of a variable vane geometry turbo to create back pressure to slow the vehicle down. That means reduced brake fade, prolonged brake life and more confidence on steep grades.
 
Not to rain on the parade here, but if you haven't seen it, the 2011 is a contender. Looked at one from the outside at a tractor show several weeks ago. It has real brakes, a wax coated frame, a painted undercarriage, a class 5 receiver, and it was only $50,500.
 
Wow, GM is really getting innovative. They'll soon have all the great features Dodge-Cummins has offered since the late '90s.

Each of the Dodge-Cummins trucks I've owned beginning with an '01 have had an exhaust brake and they were available for installation on 12 valve engines well befoer that.
 
I wonder how long the aluminum heads will last with the added back pressure. Gee, I guess they will have to add more head bolts, again. :-laf
 
It has two other great features the Dodge doesn't have- a ninth injector for regeneration and SCR instead of the NOX adsorber catalyst that Dodge is still using.
 
Exhaust brakes have been available since day 1 for the Duramax. Aftermarket installed like Harvey has. Factory brakes using the turbo itself didn't come on Dodge till the'07. 5 6. 7. This year GM started factory EB using the turbo. GM started using a vgt turbo 3 yrs before Dodge did. The Dodge auto didn't work with the EB without modifying it until the new 6 speed came out. The Allison worked right out of the box from the beginning.
 
The GM brake works better than the Dodge as well. It holds back a load better. Same load, same hill. GM's is more linear as well, not as rpm dependant. It varies pressure from 5-18 psi depending on load and steepness of hill.
 
Exhaust brakes have been available since day 1 for the Duramax. Aftermarket installed like Harvey has. Factory brakes using the turbo itself didn't come on Dodge till the'07. 5 6. 7. This year GM started factory EB using the turbo. GM started using a vgt turbo 3 yrs before Dodge did. The Dodge auto didn't work with the EB without modifying it until the new 6 speed came out. The Allison worked right out of the box from the beginning.



the 48re's were e-brake compatible in the 05 model year.
 
The GM brake works better than the Dodge as well. It holds back a load better. Same load, same hill. GM's is more linear as well, not as rpm dependant. It varies pressure from 5-18 psi depending on load and steepness of hill.



that would be cool if the e-brake is variable, but it must be more pressure then 5-18. the pac brakes were 60 psi at goverened speed, thats why the 60 psi springs were required for the 12 valve trucks. I dont have a back pressure gauge on the new truck but i'm guessing its close to the same pressure.
 
that would be cool if the e-brake is variable, but it must be more pressure then 5-18. the pac brakes were 60 psi at goverened speed, thats why the 60 psi springs were required for the 12 valve trucks. I dont have a back pressure gauge on the new truck but i'm guessing its close to the same pressure.



I probably didn't say it right. With a vgt turbo spools up engine pressure. The 18 pounds is actual boost. It doesn't have a flapper like the old style. I don't know what the engine back pressure would be.
 
I used to think my 88 GMC waxed frame was a PITA, but looking at my 98 Ram's frame after 13 years, I say the wax is a great idea !! I would not knock Ram, but It's good to compare.
 
I wonder how long the aluminum heads will last with the added back pressure. Gee, I guess they will have to add more head bolts, again. :-laf

Yeah, good question.

Do they still offer the secret 200k warranty on injectors to overcome all the customer anger they were getting over early injector failure?

Did they ever correct the major overheating problem they were having all the buyback and lawsuit issues over back around 2004 or 2005?
 
Wow, 5 to 18psi of retarding pressure provided by the "exhaust brake. " Dodge's with either a Cummins-Jacobs, PacBrake, or other aftermarket brake have always provided up to 60 psi of braking.

I guess if a buyer doesn't know the difference between turbo boost and exhaust back pressure it helps explain why he would buy a GM truck with a car type Japanese V8 diesel, even though Isuzu builds hundreds of thousands of inline four or inline six cylinder real diesel engines.
 
Ford finally added it too.
While driving downhill in Tow/Haul Mode and tapping the brake, the combustion process is restricted to help maintain the desired vehicle speed.
But, only in Tow/Haul? Plus tap the brakes?
 
Do they still offer the secret 200k warranty on injectors to overcome all the customer anger they were getting over early injector failure?



Did they ever correct the major overheating problem they were having all the buyback and lawsuit issues over back around 2004 or 2005?



You never miss a chance to get a dig in do you?

The '01-'03 LB7 motors were the ones with injector problems. Yes it has been fixed.

I have pulled 29k in 95 degree weather up 6% grades with no overheating problems. Yes, it has been fixed.



Let me ask you this:

Has Dodge fixed all the front end problems with ball joints and trac bars they had for years?

Did they fix the fuel lift pump that went out every 10k miles?

How about the 5th gear nut falling off inside the transmission?

The plastic intercoolers that would literally blow apart?

The injector issues in '05?



I could go on and on, but my point is ALL the manufactures have had issues to resolve over the years. GM has addressed the previous problems and fixed them, while making major steps forward in the process.
 
Wow, 5 to 18psi of retarding pressure provided by the "exhaust brake. " Dodge's with either a Cummins-Jacobs, PacBrake, or other aftermarket brake have always provided up to 60 psi of braking.

I guess if a buyer doesn't know the difference between turbo boost and exhaust back pressure it helps explain why he would buy a GM truck with a car type Japanese V8 diesel, even though Isuzu builds hundreds of thousands of inline four or inline six cylinder real diesel engines.

This buyer certainly knows the difference between turbo boost and exhaust back pressure. :rolleyes:

Actually Harvey, I didn't say 5 to 18 psi of retarding pressure. Let me explain how the brake in the GM works a little bit better since you don't seem to understand how the braking system works with a VGT turbo.

There is no secondary module with a flapper valve like in your truck, all the braking is done using strictly the turbo and the engine computer. The computer closes the drive vanes (exhaust side) on the turbo, creating back pressure. This in turn spools up the turbo and the driven (intake side) is obviously spooled up as well. That is what creates the 5-18 psi of pressure I was talking about. Positive manifold boost pressure from the turbo, 18lbs of boost, just as if you were on the throttle. In turn, this additional manifold pressure creates more exhaust going thru the vanes of the drive side of the turbo, thus creating even more manifold pressure on the driven side. Basically the more the brake works, the more it can work if you will. It's a pretty ingenious system, working much better than the "on off" flapper valve style you are used to. Since it is computer controlled it is completely variable based on the load and grade you are descending.

Previous models of GM vehicles using the after market flapper valve style were limited from 55 to 60psi of exhaust back pressure from what I could find looking at a few manufacturers web sites. Appears to be the same amount Dodge uses. However GM didn't require replacement of the valve springs the way Dodge did in the earlier years.

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To add another feature of the GM brake since a member posted about not being too fond of how the transmission downshifts in the Dodge no matter what:
While using Cruise Control the GM brake will turn on before the transmission downshifts, then it will downshift the transmission as necessary based on the load. Opposite of how the Dodge downshifts then turns the brake on. Also, if you want to prevent the truck from downshifting at all and just stay in whatever gear you choose, simply put the transmission in manual mode and select your gear. The transmission will hold that gear and the computer will ramp up the brake to maximum retarding pressure. However you will gain speed as expected if it is a steep hill. I love this feature since on some of the hills you can see you are about to the bottom and it's no big deal if the truck gains 5 - 10 mph.

The GM brake has a much softer engagement / disengagement as well. It doesn't jerk the truck the way the Dodge does when loaded heavy.

When you factor all that in on top of that it has more retarding ability than the Dodge, it really is a pretty slick system. Perhaps someone who is able to keep an open mind should go for a drive in a new GM truck, I really feel they would be impressed with how the transmission, cruise, and brake all work together seamlessly. :)
 
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Powder, you need to study up on the 6. 7 VGT, there is no flapper and its not even close to the GM POS that had many problems. If it wasn't for the smog crap, the Dodge turbo would be just fine. BTW Dodge fixed that as well. As far as the problem Dodge has had, they have been fixed but the base engine design is far superior than a Duramax. Dodge didn't have to name its engine to seem like its durable, it just is and everyone knows it. :)
 
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