2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission 2008 f650 super duty tow truck w/cummings isb

[krtcummins]

That's right. I had to have my Harley towed today and the tow truck was a 2008 Ford F650 Super Duty. I told the driver the engine sounded like a six cylinder. he said yea it's a Cummins. Once home we popped the hood and sure enogh, it was the new 6. 9 ISB. Tell that to the Ford 'Flowerstroke" guys. If their "Flowerstrokes" are so good, why then does Ford not use them in their F650 Super Duties? :-laf



The transmission was an Allison. Why the heck did Dodge not use that transmission in their trucks? The shift points were solid and it had the tow haul mode. The driver said the first trans service was due at 150,000 miles!

 

[CAPTPHIL]

Ford has been offering the CTD as an option at big bucks since the last years of the 7. 3s in their 550 and 650 trucks. My son has been buying them for his towing for a number of years now.

 

[HBarlow]

Furd has never offered a Cummins engine in the F-550 but has offered it in the F-650 and, IIRC, the F-750 for years.

Furd loyalists never seem to be aware that even Furd didn't try to use the sorry Sick. Ohh or 6. 4 liter V8 diesels in their real work trucks.

 

[Grizzly]

All Ford Powerjoke are a light duty engine. F650 and F750 Furds are medium duty trucks. A 5. 9 and 6. 7 Cummins engines are medium duty. Ford can not use their light duty engine on a medium duty truck.

 

[CAPTPHIL]

HI Guys,
I need to clarify my mistake. Mr. Barlow is correct, no 550. My son is running 14 rollbacks and wreckers in his towing op. Ford also offers CAT as an option. Sorry for the confusion.
Happy Trails Capt Phil
BTW Ford has always offered the PS engines as standard, with CTD and CAT as extra cost options.
Check out F-650 on the WEB.

 

[HBarlow]

No, that's not accurate. Furd never offered the Sick. Ohh Navistar engine as a standard or optional engine in previous Furd F-650/750 MDTs. I think they recently offered the 6. 4 in their F-650. Don't know if anyone would be dumb enough to try to use one.

 

[CAPTPHIL]

Mr. Barlow,
Please Google Ford F 650 6. 0l and you will find a number of 2004 to 2008 F-650 that must have been converted to the 6. 0, again I am deeply sorry for implying that you were off base.
Thank You for your patience, Capt Phil

 

[DNordvik]

When I ordered my 2007 F650, the 6. 0 powerstroke was the standard engine offering. The salesman recommended I order the Cummins or the Cat. I asked why and he would only say you don't want that engine. He told me the best engine for my application would be the 230 horse 5. 9l Cummins. There where at least 6 different horsepower ratings available with the Cummins option. When buying a class 6 or larger truck there are quite a few more engine options available .

 

[JGamble]

Just throwing this in there..... a few years back, I had a towing biz here in the eastern carolinas... . not a whole lot of work, but... . I did have enough to buy a small fleet. Just before me and my friend (biz partners) deployed, we had invested in a F650 (2007) from the dealership (Sanders Ford) off of NC HWY 24. When ordering said ford, the dealer insisted that if we were to tow with a Century Formula 6500, we should HIGHLY consider buying the CAT or Cummins motor option. We opted for the Cummins motor. Too bad we sold the truck later due to deployment... . loved it.



Best Regards,

Sgt. G

 

[HBarlow]

Well, I don't know what the correct answer is. I have never seen or read about an actual Furd F-650 with a Sick. Ohh engine but have never looked. I have seen lots of them w/Caterpillar or Cummins engines.

Several years ago I remember picking up Furd commercial truck brochures at a Furd dealer and although what I think I remember from long ago is not always correct I believe I remember and considered it significant at the time that Furd offered only the CAT or Cummins engines as standard in their F-650/750 I don't have one of those brochures now.

I did find a 2011 Furd commercial brochure:

http://www.commtruck.ford.com/pdf/brochures/MediumDuty_Catalog.pdf

It clearly states that the standard engine is a Cummins ISB6. 7 which confirms what I thought I remembered from around 2003 through 2005.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

[HHhuntitall]

As a Ford Service Tech in late '99-'01, I worked on the Ford Diesels, and was certified for the Cat, Cummins, and Neverstart, errr, I mean Navistar. All were offered, and I believe continued to be offered until recently. Very few were actually built with the Neverstarts, and what few were, I saw fairly regularly..... I do know the 6. 0 was an option, but not recommended. I've never seen one, but I have seen the service manual where they are listed for the F-650. The Cat's had very few problems, as did the early Cummins, and most were electrical or body issues. The later Cummins had fuel delivery issues, as did many of the Light Duty trucks. I quit before HPCRs were used, but I still see them, and most people really like them. Interestingly enough, a local oil field company bought a large number of the fords for work trucks, and Ford voided their warranties because the trucks idled so much running accessories(I saw a lot of those trucks!!), but..... Ford did, however, allow them to keep the engine warranty on the few Cummins powered units they did have. As far as the Allison, I have no idea why Dodge didn't do that, too. I guess they didn't want them getting serviced and repaired elsewhere..... Guess who got stuck with the lesser product?

 

[DNordvik]

I believe Ford dropped the 6. 0 with the new emissions that came into effect Jan. 1st 2007.

 

[AABEN]

That's right. I had to have my Harley towed today and the tow truck was a 2008 Ford F650 Super Duty. I told the driver the engine sounded like a six cylinder. he said yea it's a Cummins. Once home we popped the hood and sure enogh, it was the new 6. 9 ISB. Tell that to the Ford 'Flowerstroke" guys. If their "Flowerstrokes" are so good, why then does Ford not use them in their F650 Super Duties? :-laf



The transmission was an Allison. Why the heck did Dodge not use that transmission in their trucks? The shift points were solid and it had the tow haul mode. The driver said the first trans service was due at 150,000 miles!

I thank the new auto tramision is beter than the Allison. Have you drove a new auto ? the new Aisin auto was tested agenst Allison and the Dodge and the Aisin was the best.

 

[HBarlow]

I believe Ford dropped the 6. 0 with the new emissions that came into effect Jan. 1st 2007.

Well, why didn't they replace it with their much bragged about new Furd V8 diesel?

Nobody in their right mind believes that a V8 diesel is a real truck motor.

 

[HBarlow]

I thank the new auto tramision is beter than the Allison. Have you drove a new auto ? the new Aisin auto was tested agenst Allison and the Dodge and the Aisin was the best.

Yes, I think so also.

A lot of folks think that because the Allison MD transmission is a proven tough unit it should be used in the Dodge. The "real" Allisons, the ones used in MDTs, are too big and too heavy to use in any light truck platform.

The "Allison" used in GM pickups is not a lot more than the Allison nameplate. It is nowhere near the same as the MDT version.

 

[HHhuntitall]

Well, why didn't they replace it with their much bragged about new Furd V8 diesel?



Nobody in their right mind believes that a V8 diesel is a real truck motor.

Whoaaaaa, Buddy!!!! :--) I've driven Cummins 903s, Cat's 3408, and Detroit's old 913. Ok, so maybe the Detroit wasn't much to brag about, but one of the old 903s was in a Versatile tractor, and it would pull a 36' tandem disk plow 2. 5mph faster than my 855 big cam, rated at 325bhp..... The old cabover Pete my neighbor had would literally fly if it had wings. The Cat 3408 was a hoss, too. A local guy has one that he fitted with an Airstream trailer chassis, and it's supposed to run over 125mph... ...

 

[HBarlow]

Where are they now if they are good engines? All replaced by inline six cylinder diesels, right?

 

[DNordvik]

Well, why didn't they replace it with their much bragged about new Furd V8 diesel?



Nobody in their right mind believes that a V8 diesel is a real truck motor.

In my opinion I am sure that Ford is aware that their V8 diesel offering will not stand up to the medium duty application. It will barely stand up to use pulling an empty pickup around at maybe 8000# let alone a steady load of 26000# or 33000#. Most everybody knows which engine is superior just not everyone will admit it.

A driver that used to deliver where I work is as Ford as you can get. He had a Ford L8000. He bought a new truck. It was a Peterbilt class 7 33,000# GVW with a C7 CAT. I liked to razz him a little about Fords. He never would say why he didnt buy a new Ford with a powerstroke being as how he claimed they were the best truck on the planet. He didnt have to say it I guess. Inside he knew the powerstroke Ford would never hold up to constant use.

 

[HHhuntitall]

Where are they now if they are good engines? All replaced by inline six cylinder diesels, right?

Well, since diesel went to $1 a gallon, people began to sacrifice power for mileage..... There have many, many v8 engines run millions of miles. I think an engine that will run 500-600K at 400hp, without down time, is worthy of being a called a REAL truck engine. Now, if diesel had gone down, to 10 cents, say, you'd see alot more of the v8s, and maybe even the v12s in the big trucks... . There's little substitute for cubic inch, my friend. But the v8 big motors were the way to go for power in their day, and to take away from what they did for 20+ years would be missing a vibrant part of diesel history. With today's fuel prices, CI keeps dwindling, and boost and flow keep climbing. Better components and design play a great part in that. Not that I'm telling you or any other Cummins owner anything. Sadly, I guess Ford didn't get the memo, :-laf