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My truck developed a rough idle a few weeks ago, so I jumped on TDR and searched and read everything I could on rough idle problems. Started with the simple stuff, new fuel filter, new air filter... didnt fix the problem. Changed the FCA, still didnt fix it. So after reading everthing I could and the last option I could come up with was a bad injector, so I reluctantly took my truck to the dealer b/c replacing an injector is way beyond my limited mechanic skills! Come to find out, It was the #6 injector, the dealership "checked" all the other injectors and the truck runs like a dream now.



I do have a question though, the injector was "stuck open" according the the mechanic. Is there anything else I need to do to the truck now that I have it back? Did fuel leak into the oil and I need to change the oil now or am I ok? Thanks for all the help, this place is an invaluable source of info (well worth the membership fee!)
 
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You should check the oil level. If it is overfilled then yes, change the oil. If the oil is not overfilled but very thin and runs off the dipstick easily when cold then yes, change the oil. If you are uncertain or it would give you peace of mind, then yes, change the oil.

And yes, the TDR is invaluable. But I am glad Robin puts a value of only $35 a year on it!

Godspeed,
Trent
 
I am not a mechanic and don't claim to be one but I would be skeptical of a dealership tech who says your #6 injector was "stuck open. "

If it had actually been stuck open as he claimed your truck would have been hauled in on a rollback wrecker for a complete new engine or a major rebuild with a melted #6 piston, dropped valve(s), destroyed cylinder head, destroyed turbo, etc.

The injector may have been closing slowly and late or opening slowly and late or, perhaps, even remaining very slightly open, but stuck open would have overfueled #6 and wiped out an engine.
 
My truck developed a rough idle a few weeks ago, so I jumped on TDR and searched and read everything I could on rough idle problems. Started with the simple stuff, new fuel filter, new air filter... didnt fix the problem. Changed the FCA, still didnt fix it. So after reading everthing I could and the last option I could come up with was a bad injector, so I reluctantly took my truck to the dealer b/c replacing an injector is way beyond my limited mechanic skills! Come to find out, It was the #6 injector, the dealership "checked" all the other injectors and the truck runs like a dream now.



I do have a question though, the injector was "stuck open" according the the mechanic. Is there anything else I need to do to the truck now that I have it back? Did fuel leak into the oil and I need to change the oil now or am I ok? Thanks for all the help, this place is an invaluable source of info (well worth the membership fee!)

Maybe the tech. wasn't being clear about what he meant by "open"??? Maybe he meant to say that #6 injector had an open circuit? That would cause a rough idle, but not put fuel in the oil, and would nuke the cylinder. It would be like shutting off that cylinder. Just a thought...
 
My 2003 2500 has barely over 100k and I am having issues with injectors, like many others on here. What a load of crap. I did not buy a Cummins diesel only to have to put this kind of money into it with such low mileage. Mechanics I have dealt with act like they are working on the space shuttle and want to be compensated that way. My local diesel mechanic advised me to sell it - "I drive a gasoline Chevy because of the cheap way those motors are made today. " It seems to me with this problem being so rampant there ought to be a class action suit against Dodge, Cummins, and/or Bosch - the maker of the injectors. If any one knows of one or are an attorney and wants to start one sign me up! I am on my way to the dealer to trade in this P. O. S.
 
One of the issues that was addressed by Bosch was they told Chrysler to use 5 micron filtration on these engines and of course they took the cheap way out and went with 10 micron . Guess they felt they could get out of the warranty period without eating too many injectors as they buy these engines from Cummins with no warranty they weighed out the risk and felt they can come out ahead on the whole deal . A class action lawsuit ? the only winners are the lawyers and we will end up with 10. 00 each in our pocket.
 
My 2003 2500 has barely over 100k and I am having issues with injectors, like many others on here. What a load of crap. I did not buy a Cummins diesel only to have to put this kind of money into it with such low mileage. Mechanics I have dealt with act like they are working on the space shuttle and want to be compensated that way. My local diesel mechanic advised me to sell it - "I drive a gasoline Chevy because of the cheap way those motors are made today. " It seems to me with this problem being so rampant there ought to be a class action suit against Dodge, Cummins, and/or Bosch - the maker of the injectors. If any one knows of one or are an attorney and wants to start one sign me up! I am on my way to the dealer to trade in this P. O. S.

The problems you have reported with your truck are rare and experienced by very few Dodge-Cummins owners. I put 230,000 miles on an '06 and it was running great with original injectors when I sold it. I put 325k miles on my previous '01. My current Dodge has 88k on original injectors. I don't do anything special, just try always to buy fuel from high volume retailers and change fuel filters at least as often as recommended by Dodge.

TDR member EB who is an oilfield hotshot hauler just reported 300k miles on his '07. 5 cab and chassis with OEM injectors. Another TDR member, TulsaOkie, had around 360k miles on an '07. 5 last time he posted about it.

Bad injectors can happen, the are an electro-mechanical device made by man. Bad injectors may result from the quality of fuel available in your area, the cleanliness of the tanks and handling equipment used by fuel vendors where you purchase fuel, whether you use only diesel fuel or bio diesel products, and how often you change your fuel filters.

It is sad that you would make buying decisions about your Dodge-Cummins based on the advice of a mechanic who drives a Chevy gasser.

I hope you are happy with whatever you buy.
 
Thanks for the well wishes. I have maintanined my truck as required by the manual, bought fuel from a high volume fuel dealer, and use no bio diesel.

Part of the frustration of owning this truck has been the contradicting advise from the 4 shops I have had it in - all with "reputable qualifications".
 
Thanks for the well wishes. I have maintanined my truck as required by the manual, bought fuel from a high volume fuel dealer, and use no bio diesel.
Part of the frustration of owning this truck has been the contradicting advise from the 4 shops I have had it in - all with "reputable qualifications". [/QUOTE]

If you have maintained your truck as you stated above and haven't already traded it off for an inferior vehicle, your problems can be solved right here. Don't despair, there is hope!

I understand what you are experiencing very well. It is a common problem that many of us have faced.

The Cummins-powered Ram is a fine product, very reliable, durable, capable of towing huge loads for several hundred thousand miles with few problems and modest maintenance expense. But they are man-made machines and will have some issues that develop.

One of the problems is that our trucks are an expensive vehicle that not everyone can afford and not everyone who can afford one is willing to spend for. Real knowledge and skill with the engines, even at Dodge dealerships, is limited. Few dealership techs who work on one actually own one so they have very limited experience with them. When one of us goes into a dealership and reports symptoms, few of the techs are familiar with the trucks so they often don't understand. They have nothing to compare our reports to.

Few dealerships actually have trained Cummins techs. Many have parts changers who can't interpret symptoms and diagnose problems. They rely on computers to offer suggestions which include a long list of expensive parts as possible causes.

Sag2, a TDR member who is a trained and skilled Cummins tech once posted here that an owner can identify the trained dealer techs by asking if they have completed the Cummins testing and certification. A "Level IV" trained and certified tech is the highest formal skill level.

There are others who are self-trained and knowledgeable but haven't completed the Cummins training and certification because some dealers don't want to pay for it. I know of two of our TDR members who are knowledgeable Dodge dealer techs. One of them in TX I have met and taken my truck to for a software reflash. He is a genuine diesel mechanic who knows the engines, can identify problems, and correctly diagnose the cause.

The HPCR engines built since '03 are far more complex and the parts more expensive than the older 12 valve engines with mechanical fuel injection. Privately owned repair shops may think they know the engines and may be willing to work on them but may not know as much as they think they do. Some are good, but many are not. The challenge is knowing the difference.

There is a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience here in the TDR forum. There are very few problems that can occur with a Dodge-Cummins truck that someone here has not experienced. Normally, someone here can provide good and reliable interpretation and advice for any issue an owner may have. Generally speaking, many TDR members know more about our trucks than the typical Dodge dealership tech.

What I'm leading up to is the consumer has to know who to trust. Not everyone can work on our trucks when repair is needed.

I encourage you to take a deep breath and carefully describe the symptoms you are experiencing here in the TDR forum. Don't hastily get rid of your truck. Someone here can and will offer good advice.
 
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Same but different. I will compare this to a bad experience I had. New bike, has brake problems, search the net and find out everyone has this same problem and manufacturer wont stand behind it ! What gives ? I fight for my rights and list all these forums and places where you can see this is a known problem and byGod this ought be taken care of by the manufacturer ! Well being one to continue researching I find that it is actually less then 1% of these bikes that had this failure ! "but all these people on the forums had this issue", NO- only people who had this issue posted- the other 99+% sat back and said,"jeeze I dont have a problem with mine" , but they dont post it.

It is a machine and there are times machines fail ! I still have the bike and am very glad I kept it and fixed the problem instead of running out and buying another machine that could possible fail too.

P. S. I have my 03-add little improvements here and there and fix what fails, still love my truck (And it aint loaded till its over loaded). My father just purchased a new Chevy, there may be some power there but I will gladly add a turbo and new injectors to get that power before I would go buy a new chevy. Nothing against them and I hope my father gets many reliable years out of his investment, but I know I will get many more out of mine !
 
DMorris,

You made a very good point.

I always defend Dodge Ram and Cummins because I believe very strongly that the percentage of owners who have experienced genuine problems is probably very small. My own experience has been exceptionally good and I don't do anything but drive them and change the fluids and filters on a reasonable schedule.

It is easy to believe the product was a disaster if someone is mad because his new truck set a code or had a genuine soot issue and he can find one or two here who report a similar complaint. Truth be known, sometimes a problem might result from the bad fuel sold in certain areas or, perhaps, because they have added a tuner box or other modification.

I'm afraid our relatively new member, Keith Moore, had already traded or made the committment to trade his Dodge when he posted. He may have simply been the victim of mistakes made by someone who worked on his truck or convinced him to purchase some expensive parts.

I guess the morale of this story might be if you have a suspected problem with your Dodge Ram, come here first and describe the problem in a calm and objective manner. Chances are very good that someone here can and will help solve the problem. The Dodge Ram and Cummins engines are outstanding products but not perfect.
 
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