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Either I am missing something, or the Ujoints on the rear 2pc. driveshaft on my 06 3500 Megacab are not able to be replaced. I used my 12ton H-press + a torch to press the joint to one side, but it will not push the cup out of the yolk. The center section of the joint contacts the yolk before the cap is out. I have not yet found a way to pull the cap out of the yolk the rest of the way, and therefore cannot remove the joint. Has someone done this before on this truck? What am I missing? Is this why the Dodge dealer tried to sell me a full replacement drive shaft instead of the $130 each universal joints?

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Jeff
 
They are tough to move, I have cut them out with a torch and also used a thin cutoff wheel in a grinder. I have done it both ways but in both instances heat was required to allow me to drive the caps out of the yoke.

When using torches I have used a cutting wheel to put a small cut in the u-joint this allows the area to heat up much faster for starting the cut.
 
I got the ones out of my 05 by pushing al lthe way to one side and using vise grips to lock on the cap and twist/pull till it came off. Push to the other side, pull the cap and out comes the joint. No heat required.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but are those the same plastic retention pins sticking out of the yoke like GM uses???

If so, heat the yokes in order to melt those before you start pressing or beating on it and it will come apart much, much easier. Just did a 1/2 ton GMC a couple weekends ago and that is what it had to hold the caps in. A little heat and they will release and drip out of there. Looks like the same deal in the above pictures.

If that is not the case you can tell me, I can take it... ... . :-laf
 
You are correct, plastic is injected to lock the caps in place and heat is the ticket to prevent excessive force from damaging the yoke or your tools.

Also trucks in the rust belt have the double whammy of corrosion causing the caps to stick.

3 weeks ago it took me 3 hours to change 1 u-joint and center bearing on a 2006 CTD.
 
The front driveshaft on my '03 has the injected plastic to lock the caps but the axel U-joints and the rear drive shaft U-joints have conventional lock rings. I had no trouble getting the U-joints off the rear drive shaft. Since I have lockable front hubs, I haven't changed the front shaft joints.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but are those the same plastic retention pins sticking out of the yoke like GM uses???

If so, heat the yokes in order to melt those before you start pressing or beating on it and it will come apart much, much easier. Just did a 1/2 ton GMC a couple weekends ago and that is what it had to hold the caps in. A little heat and they will release and drip out of there. Looks like the same deal in the above pictures.

If that is not the case you can tell me, I can take it... ... . :-laf



Thanks for the tip on this! A few weeks ago I had posted on here about noise coming from under my truck. Several folks suggested that it was the center bearing but I couldn't crawl under to check it because of the weather (I don't have a garage). However, now that it has starting making different noises I'm pretty sure it's a u-joint on the front driveline, the one at the front axle. When I was able to get under it to check when I got home from work one evening, that one was way warmer than the rest. A few others were warm as well. I did note the retention pins, but hadn't given them a second thought until I saw this thread. So I plan on dropping both drivelines and replacing the center bearing and all 6 u-joints with greaseable Precision u-joints.
 
Well I am going to turn the rest of the u-joint replacement over to the local drive train shop. I finally was able to get a drillrod punch into the cap beside the cross and drive the cap out forcefully. I destroyed 2 drift punches in the process, as well as one thumb. The torch I have is just a propane torch, so not enough heat to cut through the cross itself. I tried unsuccessfully to get my cutoff grinding tool into the joint enough to cut the cross (it also is pretty dangerous as the joint is floating free and is hard to hold). I found that a 1/4" tapered drillrod was able to get into the cap well to allow me to hit it with an engineer's hammer and drive it out. To take this long to just remove one u-joint is ridiculous. I plan to see how the drivetrain shop deals with these, maybe they can teach me something.

The joint had completely collapsed, no bearing needles left and heavy rust with pits and heavy wear. And this truck has never been offroad! I do live in the snow belt almost (Cincinnati, OH area) so I am sure that contributed.



I would sure like to know what "fresh-out-of-college" engineer designed that piece of junk. People have been using u-joints for power transmission for hundreds of years, you would think that they could do better. I have seen worse designs, but this rivals some of them. Having been a mechanical engineer for 20+yrs it is really disappointing to see this kind of stupidity built into these trucks.
 
Your propane torch is enough it just takes time to heat the outer cap holder just like the others have mentioned. Plastic resin is the binder that holds the cap on.



GL
 
I got the ones out of my 05 by pushing al lthe way to one side and using vise grips to lock on the cap and twist/pull till it came off. Push to the other side, pull the cap and out comes the joint. No heat required.

That's what I've always done. Never needed any heat.

I would sure like to know what "fresh-out-of-college" engineer designed that piece of junk... Having been a mechanical engineer for 20+yrs it is really disappointing to see this kind of stupidity built into these trucks.

Call me crazy, but I see a lot of ways of removing that cap without having to take it to a shop, ruining any drift punches, or any body parts. Two in particular come immediately to mind.

Cut a hole in the end of the cap and thread the largest possible bolt in there. Then rig a puller to yank it.

Or, weld a bar of some convenient shape to the end of the cap, hold the bar fixed between the jaws of a vice, and give a good hard whack to the yoke.

But I'm certainly no mechanical engineer, so there must be some aspect to this I'm not understanding.

-Ryan
 
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I just had my '06 at a driveline shop to replace all the u-joints in the drivelines. The truck was in their shop for eight hours. They could not believe that a normal 2-3 hour job for them turned into eight hours. They torched, pressed and pulled and broke a bunch of their tools doing so. The shop manager said they've had only one other truck that has ever done this same thing to them, also an '06 Dodge. Sounds like a common problem.
 
Like others have mentioned, if you have an acetylene torch cut the centers out. We had both of my front axle u-joints removed in about ten minutes when I installed the Dynatrac kit.
 
The drivetrain shop was able to get the joints out of the driveshaft. I questioned them as they worked on it, they told me that this was definitely one of the hardest units to disassemble of anything they see. They have destroyed a few just trying to disassemble them. They used a torch to get the housing red hot while using a large press, and it sounded similar to a shotgun at close range when it released and jumped off their press. My 12 ton H-press would not even budge it until heated and with propane took 1/2 hour of heating to get the first joint to move.



Once apart, I took the driveshafts home to clean the mountain of rust of the outside and treat the metal and paint with a good rust-resistant paint. After repairing the damage that was done to the yokes during removal (marred metal in the cup seat), I installed replacement U-joints. I used serviceable joints, but this driveshaft design requires the grease fitting be located in the end of the cup not the center of the hub as some manufacturers use. Dodge does not offer a serviceable joint. They have a superseded part number (Dodge #68003521AB for my truck, but your dealer will need to check your VIN) for the replacement joint with a new design on the cup using a brass pressed sleeve and triple-seal. It should be a much improved design but at $130 each, I am sticking with aftermarket $20 joints that allow lubrication.



I completed the installation of the joints with clips and phased the shaft as originally installed (I stamp my shafts while in the truck before dis-assembly to assure phase is correct). The truck has no vibration at all at any speed.



Notes on installation -

1. AWAYS mark the shafts for proper phasing.

2. Most drivetrain shops cannot balance these 2-piece shafts unless you replace the center bearing.

3. Make sure you purchase U-joints with the grease fitting in the end of the cap if you get serviceable joints. There is no access to get a grease gun in between the yokes once mounted in the truck.

4. You will need to heat the yoke significantly during dis-assembly in most cases if the cup is retained with injected nylon.

5. When seating the cups, press the cups in simultaneously if possible as the relief where the injected nylon is extruded can cause the cup to mis-align and cause pressure on one side of the needles. This takes some care and may require extra time. You must also have the cross completely inside the yoke before installing the cups.

6. It is a good idea to mark the location of the center bearing mount before removal. You may have to try moving the location slightly to reduce or eliminate some vibration, even if you mark it, but it is a good starting point.



This job was much more difficult and time-consuming than on my '99 truck, that I have replaced the joints in multiple times.



Cut a hole in the end of the cap and thread the largest possible bolt in there. Then rig a puller to yank it.

This was tried unsuccessfully, the threads just stripped repeatedly as I tried larger bolts.



Or, weld a bar of some convenient shape to the end of the cap, hold the bar fixed between the jaws of a vice, and give a good hard whack to the yoke.

This would likely work if you have access to a welder, if the cup doesn't weld itself to the yoke in process.



But I'm certainly no mechanical engineer, so there must be some aspect to this I'm not understanding.

It should not require a background in any kind of engineering to change parts on a truck. My engineering background allows me to analyze the design knowing what has been done and works well in other vehicles. U-joints have been used for hundreds of years, and there are GOOD designs out there. THIS DESIGN is not one of the GOOD designs, it is a POOR design from the serviceability standpoint. If you don't believe me, talk to your local drivetrain shop or go look at some competitors products.

Jeff
 
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