Fuel in oil test result

[KLauber]

This is what my oil looked like after 5000 miles and a lot of grocery gettin. Is this in line with other results from members who test their oil? Chime in!



Ken

 

[TBartlett1]

The lube type & grade is Mopar Dot 3 brake fluid 15w40 That is definitely not right!!

 

[Jim W]

Ken,

Is the truck still under warranty? I would take your oil analysis report to the dealer and have him look at the fuel injectors. This seems like to much fuel in the oil you should not be more then 6% fuel dilution. I think you may have a bad injector dumping to much fuel, or you did not change the oil soon enough.

Did the OHD tell you to change the oil at 3,000 or so miles?



I have attached one of my oil analysis reports that was done at 35,000 miles. This is a 5,000 mile interval between changes.

You may want to review my signature to understand why my fuel % in the oil is so low.



Jim

 

[KLauber]

Its still under warranty and the oil is changed every 5K at the dealer. The stock oil they use is Mopar 15W-40 and it better not have brake fluid in it (Lab did a transcription error I guess!). The OHD does not ever tell me anything, I just change the oil every 5K. This is the first analysis I've done. I'll have them check it out next week.

Thanks!

Ken

 

[sag2]

Did your oil change reminder come on?

 

[KLauber]

EVIC silent

Did your oil change reminder come on?

It never has come on. The only message I see is "System OK". Thats something else they should check, eh??



Ken

 

[HBarlow]

I've never had an oil sample done and know nothing about the companies who perform oil sampling for consumers. I also couldn't enlarge the enclosed oil sample report above so can only know what others have posted.

I wonder about the quality of an oil test report that tells you your engine is using brake fluid in the crankcase and has excessive fuel content in the lube oil or, perhaps, the quality and cleanliness of the sample that was sent to the lab.

Would another oil sample be in order before becoming too concerned and making demands on the dealer?

 

[Newt]

Kenneth

If you value your privacy, you've just put your full name, address and phone number on the internet.

Newt

 

[Jim W]

Harvey,

Ken and I are both using the kit's sold through Geno's Garage and are sending the oil samples to a Cummin's lab for analysis. I would trust them as much as a lab tied into another major engine manufacture.



I copied his report to my computer and then open it in Micro-soft paint to enlarge the report. His analysis is reporting est. of 10% fuel, Viscosity 100 CS of 11. 2 (which is low) Infrared results Oxidation of 28 (high) and Infrared results for Nitration of 24 (moderate) in the engine oil.

The Lab has reported this to be in the critical stage as noted above in his report and what could be the possible problem. They have recommend he change his oil and filter, if he has not done this already and recheck in 30 Days.



As I stated already he may have waited to long to change his oil between oil changes. I use to have to change my oil ever 3,500 to 4,000 miles. I could never get past 4,000 miles in the summer when working the truck hard and pulling my camper. I now can go to at least 5,000 miles or longer but I preferred to change at 5,000, miles and sample.

Jim

 

[KLauber]

Too late

Kenneth



If you value your privacy, you've just put your full name, address and phone number on the internet.



Newt

No one is private on the internet unless your name is Jason Bourne, eh? been that way for years... ... #@$%!

 

[KLauber]

Good point!

I've never had an oil sample done and know nothing about the companies who perform oil sampling for consumers. I also couldn't enlarge the enclosed oil sample report above so can only know what others have posted.

I wonder about the quality of an oil test report that tells you your engine is using brake fluid in the crankcase and has excessive fuel content in the lube oil or, perhaps, the quality and cleanliness of the sample that was sent to the lab. (I think they couldn't read my handwriting on the label?)

Would another oil sample be in order before becoming too concerned and making demands on the dealer?

JimW already addressed your concerns but glad you raised them anyway. I will be getting another oil sample this week as its been over 4K since I changed it. I should have that test result back to compare and then see if action is warranted.

Ken

 

[KLauber]

Going to dealer tomorrow for check-up. 2nd test after 2657 miles showed 6. 7% fuel dilution. WHat test should the tech run? Each injector obviously. Any other tests?

Ken

 

[Zak Smith]

Here are all the oil reports for my truck. I never got more than 2% fuel in oil.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...10-oil-analysis-9600-miles-2.html#post2188442

 

[Wygate]

All I have to add is when I had all my issues a year ago I went directly to Cummins. They only allow for a 5% F/O dilution, I had 62%! I will say It is still running fine at this point w/ 25k on the ticker. Oil pres still well within spec and full warranty is in place.

My cause was bad seal on back of the CP3 pump.

 

[KLauber]

Hey Wygate, where is the Cummins spec for F/O dilution, where does it say that?

Ken

 

[Wygate]

Hey Wygate, where is the Cummins spec for F/O dilution, where does it say that?

Ken

Ken,

I got this info directly from a Cummins tec rep (I looked up Cummins and called the company not a dealer or repair shop) on the phone. I called them when I was not getting the answers from Chrysler. They are very careful on what info they give out due the the contracts they have with Chrysler. I found that you have to ask the questions very carefully or they are not allowed to divulge the info.

I have notes from the phone con, if you want more info let me know, I will look for my notes.

Jason

 

[Jim W]

Ken and Wygate,

Here is a copy of the Dodge Tech Net Bulletin that was in another post sometime back on fuel in oil. In there they state about fuel level in oil over 5% will trigger the change oil now message in the EVIC.



Jim



Dodge Tech Net Bulletin





Case Number K44264524

Vehicle Issue Engine oil level is high or may show overfull.



Year 2007,2008



Model DH -Ram Pickup HD, D1 -Ram Pickup 3500, DC -Ram 3500 Cab Chassis, DM -RAM 4500 / 5500 CAB CHASSIS



Engine 6. 7L CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL



Catagory Customer Concern (No DTCs)



System or Component : Engine Oil



Symptom : Oil Level Too High



Case Verification : Engine oil may have been recently changed. The customer may state the "Oil Change Required" message comes on too soon I at too short of an interval. Engine oil analysis may show above 5% fuel in oil dilution.

Recommendation



* Be Aware *



The closed-crankcase ventilation system on the 6. 7l Cummins Turbo Diesel engine retains oil much longer than on previous 5. 9L engines. Remove the engine oil fill cap while draining the engine oil to allow the CCV filter to drain. If the engine is only allowed to drain for a short time, then refilled with engine oil, the crankcase may actually be overfilled. The "Oil Change Required" message displayed on the EVIC is sent over the vehicle BUS system from the ECM. The message is requested when the ECM calculates there is excessive (above 5%) fuel in the engine oil dilution. This calculation is derived from engine idle time and the amount of time the engine is performing an 'active' exhaust regeneration. During these operating conditions, a small amount of fuel will get into the engine oil. This is normal operation of the engine.



Comments:



Reducing excessive engine idle time (above 20% engine idle time is generally considered excessive). Idle time is counted when there is zero vehicle speed and the throttle position is at rest (zero to 5 percent).



Engine idle time is determined by dividing the total engine idle time (displayed in hours) into the total time (displayed in hours). This information can be found in trip information.



Also note the total desired I completed I incomplete exhaust regenerations.



If possible, also note the ignition key cycles or engine warm-up cycles. Active exhaust regenerations must complete. If a regeneration (or 'De-Soot') process does not complete during an operation cycle, during the next operating cycle the entire regeneration process will start from the beginning.



Frequent short-trip operation of the engine will result in many incomplete regeneration processes (and relatively high fuel dilution in the engine oil).



Modification Date 01/15/08 8:28 AM



Review



Case Created Bv: Approved T1118KR





What is the current "Letter Designation" ECM Flash applicable for the 6. 7 ?

 

[KLauber]

I think its pretty clear I need to rid myself of the cause which is regen mode(s), unless there is an actual bad injector. Waiting to find out.

Ken

 

[d6c]

The above tech bulletin actually states "calculated" fuel % above 5%... everything is calculated, there is no magic sensor to establish fuel/oil percentages.

 

[KLauber]

All injectors passed, a fuel actuator was found to be defective. Awaiting delivery of the part.

Ken