venturi type oil filters

[CKelley1]

here is pix of the baldwin bd7317, and fleetguard lf9028 with a used lf16035 in the middle. the cost of the baldwin is about $12 the fleetguard $45. this is a case of you get what you pay for. the white on the filters is the full flow part. and the tan on the baldwin paper pleats like in a fuel filter. the overall area is less than the lf16035 and the venturi is minimal. the fleetguard has an extremely unique filter media for the bypass portion and a good area of stratapore meda for the full flow. the venturi is a highley efficient design. bill riley furnished me the lf9028

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[PWirth]

Great photos. I have a Fleetguard LF9028 setting in my garage ready for my next oil change along with AMSoil 15W-40 oil. It took me a long time to convince the guy at the Cummins parts desk here in town to order me the LF9028 because he had the Baldwin filter in stock. He thought that I was nuts for wanting the Fleetguard at $40 vs the Baldwin at $14. I am glad that I pushed for the Fleetguard filter after looking at the difference in the photos.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

It looks like the Baldwin is as cheaply made as a Fram



I'm upset because I still have about 8 of them left to use up. They do work great, but I can clearly see that they're sub-par in construction when compared side by side with the Fleetgard.

 

[Super Briar]

Has anyone had a oil analysis done after using the Baldwin 1773 or the Fleetguard LF9028? If so could you post up your results?



Thank you,

SB

 

[WalterJ]

After some oil filter research, I've uncovered a best kept secret from within a commercial filter manuf. Check out the Donaldson line of fuel & oil filters. Their specs are great.

I ordered 2 oil filters #ELF7349 @ $12. 90 ea. from;
Filter Distribution, INC>
27W093 Geneva Road
Unit 218
Winfield, Ill 60190
1-855-639-3587

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Wow! So the $45 fleetguard is better than the $12 Baldwin.



Nice pictures CKelley1

 

[HEMI®Dart]

After some oil filter research, I've uncovered a best kept secret from within a commercial filter manuf. Check out the Donaldson line of fuel & oil filters. Their specs are great.



I ordered 2 oil filters #ELF7349 @ $12. 90 ea. from;

Filter Distribution, INC>

27W093 Geneva Road

Unit 218

Winfield, Ill 60190

1-855-639-3587

Agreed the #ELF7349 filters a little better than the Fleetguard 3894.



TDR member AH64ID can confirm this.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

you gotta be kidding me...

So the tan media on the Baldwin is supposed to be the Bypass media?

 

[waltk]

$45? really?

I really am astonished at the difference in pricing at various Cummins Branches... I assure you all that I paid under $27. 00 (26 and change) for LF9028 at Cummins Northeast in Syracuse, NY. At roughly double-cost for the "normal" Stratapore and allowing (per Fleetguard) extended service interval, used in conjunction with Premium Blue Extreme, I will be changing at 10,000 or annual, whichever (obviously) is first...



Please become better-known to your local branches, I am just an average-Joe that is well-known to the parts-counter-staff in Syracuse... .



Walt K.

 

[Chief USA]

It looks like the Baldwin is as cheaply made as a Fram



I'm upset because I still have about 8 of them left to use up. They do work great, but I can clearly see that they're sub-par in construction when compared side by side with the Fleetgard.

When you say they work great, what exactly do you mean? Do they keep the oil looking noticably cleaner for a longer period? Good oil pressure? The oil pressure reading is not of helpful significance for 2 reasons. On some trucks the oil pressure sending unit is an idiot switch set to preset pressure, the other is that a bypass valve will open should the oil filter become restricted and allow unfiltered oil to bypass the filter.



I am concerned about how well they work. They may not win a beauty contest compared to the Fleetguard filter but if they filter just as good, that is what I am most concerned about.



That having been said, I just ordered 2 cased of the Baldwin BD7317 filters and at about $11 each plus shipping, that is a LOT cheaper than the Fleetguard filter.



How many miles do you get out of your BD7317 before you have to replace the filter and/or oil?

 

[CKelley1]

the tan is the bypass portion the pleats are not as deep as the fleatguard my personal opinion i think it will be ok on the 04 or earlier engines on the 04. 5 up because of the heavy carbon loading i definitely think the oil and filter change interval should be limited to 5,000 miles. the fleetguard i would not worry about it

 

[waltk]

The statement that the oilpressure is an "idiot indicator" puzzles me... when did that feature becme the norm? All three of my trucks do show an approximation of believable pressure... about 80psi at 1600rpm when cold and about 35 at idle rpm when hot...

Walt K.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

When you say they work great, what exactly do you mean?

The Baldwin does keep the oil noticeably cleaner and I've been using CAT DEO 15w-40 (CI-4+) and changing it at 5000 miles on both my trucks.

I'm at 7400 miles now on my '09 and plan on getting analysis done just to see how far I can go. It passes the visual test for me, but that doesn't give me the warm fuzzy feeling that lab results will.

It still had a honey color to it up to 5k and now it's darkening a little bit, but is still a far cry from turning black. Depending on the results I get back, I may end up running 10k between changes and swap in a new filter at 5k and top off to replenish the additive package...

I don't see any difference in oil pressure on the '92 (has an actual transducer) and I plan on getting a mechanical gauge for the '09 since all the 3rd and 4th gen trucks use a 6psi switch and a computer algorithm to tell the needle where to point (I've posted this info on many threads in the past). #@$%!

I am happy with the Baldwin and LOVE the price, but it just seems to be a little bit cheap looking to me.

 

[steved]

The statement that the oilpressure is an "idiot indicator" puzzles me... when did that feature becme the norm? All three of my trucks do show an approximation of believable pressure... about 80psi at 1600rpm when cold and about 35 at idle rpm when hot...



Walt K.

Unless you installed the gauge, the 3rd gen oil pressure gauge fluctuations are made by the ECM based on engine parameters, not actual oil pressure.

 

[AH64ID]

Agreed the #ELF7349 filters a little better than the Fleetguard 3894.



TDR member AH64ID can confirm this.

Just got off the Phone with Fleetguard. The LF9028 full flow filters at 30um for 100% efficiency, and the bypass gets approx 5% of the oil at 5um at 95%.



The Donaldson ELF7349 filters 100% at 20um, 98. 7% at 15um and 59. 97% at 7um, add a Amsoil Bypass to that and you get 98. 7% at 2um with approx 10% of the oil going thru.



The venturi filters are good, but I am not sure they are worth the cost, and are certainly not a substitute for a traditional bypass.



Say you filter 100 gallons of oil that has 1000 5um particles in it, the Venturi would catch 49 of them, the Donaldson ELF (assuming a 50% 5um rating) would catch 500 of them. .

The statement that the oilpressure is an "idiot indicator" puzzles me... when did that feature becme the norm? All three of my trucks do show an approximation of believable pressure... about 80psi at 1600rpm when cold and about 35 at idle rpm when hot...



Walt K.

What year are your trucks? It has been standard since 2003 and any factory flashes on 2000+ (maybe 98. 5+).

 

[waltk]

Just got off the Phone with Fleetguard. The LF9028 full flow filters at 30um for 100% efficiency, and the bypass gets approx 5% of the oil at 5um at 95%.



The Donaldson ELF7349 filters 100% at 20um, 98. 7% at 15um and 59. 97% at 7um, add a Amsoil Bypass to that and you get 98. 7% at 2um with approx 10% of the oil going thru.



The venturi filters are good, but I am not sure they are worth the cost, and are certainly not a substitute for a traditional bypass.



Say you filter 100 gallons of oil that has 1000 5um particles in it, the Venturi would catch 49 of them, the Donaldson ELF (assuming a 50% 5um rating) would catch 500 of them. .







What year are your trucks? It has been standard since 2003 and any factory flashes on 2000+ (maybe 98. 5+).

Okay! I have learned something; my trucks are 1990 (no-brainer), 1999 and 2001 (without flash for "intermittent low/no oilpressure... I did know that that flash lobotomizes the dash instrument into what I will call an "idiot-semaphore" akin to "idiot light" or animated-annunciator akin to lighted-annunciator). I did not realize the Gen-II lobotomy-flash had been made part of Gen-III normal programming...

Walt K.

 

[CKelley1]

i agree with ah64id i intent to stick with the filter, bypass combo. i just could not resist looking at the venturi

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

Okay! I have learned something; my trucks are 1990 (no-brainer), 1999 and 2001 (without flash for "intermittent low/no oilpressure... I did know that that flash lobotomizes the dash instrument into what I will call an "idiot-semaphore" akin to "idiot light" or animated-annunciator akin to lighted-annunciator). I did not realize the Gen-II lobotomy-flash had been made part of Gen-III normal programming...



Walt K.

Bump to top because this is important!!



I'm quite sure that the "lobotomy flashes" to the 2nd gens were a direct result of customers flooding dealerships with this particular problem while starting a stone cold engine



There have been many complaints on this subject and have since forced Dodge to write the software necessary to add a buffer of 30sec or so that allows little/no oil pressure to be 'okay' BEFORE tripping the warning light. All of this simply because average people just don't realize that 15W-40 has about the same viscosity as Elmer's Glue (or molasses!) when the temp drops below 0...



It's quite normal to have 0psi for a second or two until the oil pump can pressurize the system enough to register on an actual "gauge" of ANY kind!



Due to the lack of oil pump failures and potential cost savings of using a 6psi switch (with a little bit of programming) vs. a transducer that reads REAL data... It's a "no brainer" on their part.



I paid for a real "gauge" when I drove off the lot in my '09 and have since learned that I have been duped!! #@$%! I wish that I could be assured that when the "gauge" reads 40psi that it's ACCURATE and NOT just slightly above the minimum of 6psi to keep the Dodge ECM happy... Cummins recommends a minimum pressure of 10psi BTW!