6.7L Ford Issues...... Round TWO???

[HBarlow]

How did you come to this conclusion? Most failures Ive seen on the 6. 0's were in pickups that were rarely ever used as a truck, not 450/550's, or trucks that were worked. Really I want to know if you have any facts on this statement or your usual opinion with no proof?

I came to that conclusion by talking to many fellow RV transporters during the heyday of the Sick. Ohh Furd. Many of them had purchased shiny new King Ranch leather Furd duallies with dreams of making a lot of money transporting RVs for hire. All of them used in commercial service failed. I once earned a $1000 when I had pulled a big Alfa from Corona, KA to a dealer in Amarillo and was going home for a few days off the road. My dispatcher called and asked me to turn around and go to the Furd dealer in Amarillo to meet another company transporter whose Furd had suffered the third and final major engine failure and had to drop his trailer. I pulled the trailer to Fontana, KA and picked up another load to come back east.

I have heard many Furd Sick. Ohh owners who didn't work theirs claim theirs were great trucks.

You are a rude ******* Edelheiht. What proof do you have of your misinformed opinions?

 

[HBarlow]

Im not sure that Cummins would be allowed to sell engines to Ford for use in a product that would directly compete against the Dodge 4500-5500 C&C trucks...
I would think Dodge would have some sort of an agreement with Cummins to protect themselves from that...
Not sure, just spit-balling.....

Yeah, I think you're right. I've always heard rumors that Dodge had some kind of non-compete agreement with Cummins to prevent Cummins from selling their engines to another manufacturer in direct competition with Rams.

 

[AEdelheit]

You are a rude ******* Edelheiht. What proof do you have of your misinformed opinions?

Bwhaha, you call me rude Harvey? I give people the same respect they give me and other people, you right I have no desire to be anything but rude to you, Cant care less how you feel about it, exactly how you treat others.

And what is my misinformed opinions? I personally know of 6. 0 grocery getters that have failed and ones that have been worked that have not, that is not opinion but a fact, and seeing as how you have no idea what or who I know I dont see how you can possibly call that misinformed. I asked how you came to your conclusion, I wanted to know if knew of specific situations, which you clearly have, or if you just made assumptions which you have done in the past many times. I did not want to imply that the F450/F550's dont have higher failure rates which re reading what I typed it may have came across that way.

 

[HBarlow]

Still whining over some argument you lost in the past are you, Edelheit? Get over it. Grow up. I am not even aware you are on the planet until you show up in a thread with your rude and ignorant demands for proof.

Please hold your breath while I struggle to produce the proof you want.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

I'll take a stab at this one...

How did you come to this conclusion? Most failures Ive seen on the 6. 0's were in pickups that were rarely ever used as a truck, not 450/550's, or trucks that were worked. Really I want to know if you have any facts on this statement or your usual opinion with no proof?

The company that my friend works for has an entire fleet of F-550's 6. oh no's that are loaded heavy and worked all the time (mechanics trucks). They have been plagued with cracked heads and turbo failures almost weekly.

The Ford chassis and TorqShift have been absolutely flawless so far, but the 6. 0L engines have been the weak link.

However, his boss' F-250 6. 0L has never had a problem to date with 250k+ and several thousand hours of idle time.

My company has seen several issues with our '07 F-250's... Catastrophic engine failures, injectors, front end failures, and cracking beds #@$%! Cracks are even showing up on the beds of the NEW '11 F-250 gassers

BTW... The '11 gasser that I drive has been in the shop for 6 weeks for transmission issues that didn't go away after the flash that the latest TSB called for AND the bed is starting to crack on BOTH sides just above the tires!!

 

[Wingate]

Cracks are even showing up on the beds of the NEW '11 F-250 gassers



BTW... The '11 gasser that I drive has been in the shop for 6 weeks for transmission issues that didn't go away after the flash that the latest TSB called for AND the bed is starting to crack on BOTH sides just above the tires!!

Beds cracking????? the factory bed on an F250??? If you don't mind, what are ya'll using the pickups for? What conditions cause the beds to crack? How is Ford responding to this? Do you have a pic or two you could share. . ? I have a friend that has a new Ford F250 4x4. . I would really like to know where to look for these cracks. .

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

These trucks are worked pretty hard out here in the oil field and rarely see pavement except for the one mile while passing through town. They have several tool boxes full of junk to keep all of the produced water disposal facilities/wells, evaporation ponds, and stabilizer plant running.



The gasser that I was driving has about an inch long crack starting down both sides of the bed just under the plastic bed rail directly above the rear tires. I would get a pic, but have no idea where GE Fleet Services towed it off to and I am hooking up to my 39' 5er tonight and leaving in the wee hours of the morning to start my new job in Douglas, WY.



I will try to get a pic sometime tonight of the '07 F-250 6. 0L that I was driving up until this morning that has large cracks (6-8 inches) on each side of the bed near the front under the headache rack if I can think of it before I go.



Another '07 diesel had all of the spot welds fail on the front left corner of the bed and it started to look like a banana after the front portion started to collapse. This truck also lost the lube oil pump last summer and nuked the motor (I would love to post a pic, but it's long since gone). The sad part with this one is that it had just enough oil pressure to keep the 6psi idiot switch (not a true gauge) from indicating a problem until it was far too late #@$%!



I'm pretty sure that the night shift guy will stop by my place tonight sometime and may be driving the '11 gasser if it's fixed. I'll get a pic of that one while I'm at it.



Edit: I always drove it like I had an egg under the skinny peddle and rarely got above 40mph... Not sure what the other guy did with it while I was on days off for two weeks, but it still shouldn't have this kind of issue showing up with only 45k on it.

 

[Wingate]

a 6 "oh no" blowing up is nothing new... The idea that the bed is cracking on a new truck is absolutely insane.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

a 6 "oh no" blowing up is nothing new... The idea that the bed is cracking on a new truck is absolutely insane.

It's appalling IMHO, but is unfortunately true

 

[AEdelheit]

Still whining over some argument you lost in the past are you, Edelheit? Get over it. Grow up. I am not even aware you are on the planet until you show up in a thread with your rude and ignorant demands for proof.



Please hold your breath while I struggle to produce the proof you want.

Sorry still breathing old man



Im curious how the 6. 7's in the pickups will hold up, we have a 2011 F350 at work, other then guzzuling DEF its been trouble free 25k, still dont like driving it though.

 

[MChrist]

I've searched high and low for mention of the beds cracking in Ford trucks to see if this is a wide spread problem, and I have found nothing. I think this may be a fairly small problem.
I searched Ford sites, general google searches. . nothing. Only ads for Bedliners!!

 

[KIKER]

The boss on the pipeline construction job I'm on is driving an '11 Ford F250 gas and has had troubles with it. The first thing is the motor locked up on it with about 30,000 miles, and he had to have a new engine installed. The latest is the heater core fell out in the floorboard and it dumped all the antifreeze. I guess that's about all.

 

[Wingate]

I have been running test software on my F550 for approx. 8 weeks now. . I also hear rumors of pulling them in one at a time to replace cylinder heads before they fail... . ones closest to 40K will be done first... I'm at 39K. .

Our transmissions are starting to show cause for concern... . The one with the most miles, (55-60K. . ) is starting to violently drop out of higher gears into lower gears for no apparent reason, I was in the truck the other day as a passanger when it did it, its violent!!. .

Several others are jumping out of gear from time to time with no apparent rhyme or reason as of yet... Mine did it a few days ago while driving a steady speed/load and fully warmed up, indicator showed 6th gear, but engine was red-lined... I let off the gas and it slammed into 3rd gear??? go figure...

Wonder if "Destroked" has a kit for a Cummins/Aisin in a 2011 F-550!!!! hahaha. .

 

[WMonroe]

What was the test software supposed to correct? I'm surprised with the transmission issues, i thought the torque shift was a decent transmission. I guess when they upped the hp/tq the transmission cant handle it.

 

[Wingate]

What was the test software supposed to correct? I'm surprised with the transmission issues, i thought the torque shift was a decent transmission. I guess when they upped the hp/tq the transmission cant handle it.

I believe the engine ECU, and PCM/TCM software was changed, along with whatever controlls the display in the cab... (may be one of the forementioned)

This software change was in response to the engine failures, trans. shift issues, fuel consumption. ,. etc... The previous TSBs for trans. did fix the 2-3 shift issue for awhile, but now this other condition is starting to rear its head??? We haven't had one completely fail yet. . (transmission that is) but it seems that its taking some time to get a handle on the control/valvebody...

I would thing just about any decent transmission could handle 300 hp. . ???

 

[WMonroe]

Thats what i was thinking about the transmission, if the c&c is 300 hp and failing then how is the pickup transmission holding at 400 hp? I thought they were the same, maybe the c&c is different internally?

 

[Wingate]

I believe they are the same internally... the programming is different due to the C&C trucks not having an exhaust brake... (and Im sure there are other reasons)

As another side note, on of the recent heart transplants is back in the shop again, it has lost the turbo.

When the engine was replaced on this truck, it got a new turbo as well, so its not from the failure. The truck has 15-20K on the new engine... . but it apparently broke the shaft.

 

[HBarlow]

Thats what i was thinking about the transmission, if the c&c is 300 hp and failing then how is the pickup transmission holding at 400 hp? I thought they were the same, maybe the c&c is different internally?

Probably because few of the pickups are hauling anything heavy on a routine basis. It was the same with the Sick. Ohhs. The ones used as commuter trucks are still in service. The ones pulling trailers everyday suffered catastrophic failures just out of warranty.

 

[bheiting]

I noticed on the Power Stroke forum there was mention of glow plugs falling into the cylinders, breaking valve heads, etc. Doesn't sound like Ford spent much time on R&D.

 

[MChrist]

I would assume that the engineers allowed for the c/c being under more weight ( up to around 19,500 lbs. ) Since more weight = more resistance, those trucks have lower power to save the trans. Just my theory. Put that same engine in a go-cart and you shouldn't experience any problems!