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dont agree with that... shotgun with buck shot is way better, and aiming is not an issue... and also using a long gun in CQB makes it easier for the person to get ahold of your weapon... ... . but if you have nothing else, then it is great... :-{}

Bears aren't interested "in yer weapon"! If a Grizz finds out ya shot him with a 12 Ga. and buckshot he's liable to be really MAD(I'm being nice:D):-laf
Could you kill a Grizz with a 12Ga. and buckshot? Possibly. Would you bet your life on it? Not me! At 25' or less I want that . 45/70 round to completely penetrate his carcass from stem to stern, taking out a central nervous system component and/or breaking his spine! You wont get that with a 12 Ga. . Even slugs will not penetrate like a modern loading of a . 45/70!
Talking about two legged, indignant personell? We have no issue. A 12 Ga is a good choice! BTW, As a CQBW a Vertical butt stroke delivered in close, is as good as a kick in the groin. Prefer a carbine or a short barreled shotgun in that situation. Force multiplier. A Handgun is last resort or as Colonel Cooper used to say; "You use a handgun to fight your way to a rifle"!GregH
 
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Bears aren't interested "in yer weapon"! If a Grizz finds out ya shot him with a 12 Ga. and buckshot he's liable to be really MAD(I'm being nice:D):-laf

Could you kill a Grizz with a 12Ga. and buckshot? Possibly. Would you bet your life on it? Not me! At 25' or less I want that . 45/70 round to completely penetrate his carcass from stem to stern, taking out a central nervous system component and/or breaking his spine! You wont get that with a 12 Ga. . Even slugs will not penetrate like a modern loading of a . 45/70!

Talking about two legged, indignant personell? We have no issue. A 12 Ga is a good choice! BTW, As a CQBW a Vertical butt stroke delivered in close, is as good as a kick in the groin. Prefer a carbine or a short barreled shotgun in that situation. Force multiplier. A Handgun is last resort or as Colonel Cooper used to say; "You use a handgun to fight your way to a rifle"!GregH



AHH... HUNTING then you are completely correct... I speculated home defense up above... . my mistake... . whoops... my apology BIGNASTY
 
45/70 for large charging critters. for criminals i'd say both are fine. either way the goal is achieved. a significantly lighter dead bad guy.
 
What Greg said





Im not interested in anything except taking control (if there is such a thing) of a situation gone bad in the mountains with a BEAR. I use to think that I was pretty well armed with a 12ga. with slugs and it is a great weapon on PEOPLE but it ain't I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER against a GRIZZ. You might say WELL HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN



ONCE WAS ENOUGH FOR ME



I STILL HAVE THE UNDERWARE TO PROVE HOW TERRIFIED I WAS :-laf THEY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN
 
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You're a funny guy. At least you can say that you weren't scared chitless. :-laf
 
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You're a funny guy. At least you can say that you weren't scared chitless. :-laf



Its funny now but I was pretty messed up about the incident seeing a bear at distance is one thing but from about 20 to 30 yards is quite another. And yes CHITLESS would be the correct wording :-laf YES TECHINALLY :-laf
 
AHH... HUNTING then you are completely correct... I speculated home defense up above... . my mistake... . whoops... my apology BIGNASTY



Around my house it COULD BE HOME DEFENSE!!!!!! bears are just about every place up here. It dont have to be a Grizz to give you pause BOO BOO and Yogi can mess you up.
 
Prefer a carbine or a short barreled shotgun in that situation. Force multiplier. A Handgun is last resort or as Colonel Cooper used to say; "You use a handgun to fight your way to a rifle"!GregH



You bet. A handgun if fine, but if I'm close enough to grab your rifle, I can grab your pistol, too. A quick thumb-break, and I own your pistol, and most likely, you. But if you grab my rifle, I've got another end to whip your obama with, so I can't see the tactical disadvantage of the long gun. And I'm not talking about a 26" barreled H&R single shot. A short, self defense shotgun or rifle. A carbine.



Colonel Cooper was an expert at pistol marksmanship, shooting, and tactical applications in all disciplines. He is THE American Standard to which all tactical pistol training is taught. He is a Marine, enlisted PRIOR to Pearl Harbor, and only retired by death in this world. He consided a handgun, despite his love of a good, large-bore, semi-auto, a stop-gap weapon. He believed the carbine to be the proper tactical weapon, and it was proven to him in combat in the Pacific Isles against Japanese entrenched soldiers. Nothing like live-fire to perfect shooting and survival tactics. :eek:



Close quarters, a long gun gives you a physical advantage, if you know how to use it. A handgun is fine. Many law enforcement agencies use them, as that's the most practical tool for their job. But what do those same officers carry in a rack above their seats? What do the SWAT and SORT teams use? What do Marine's use? No offense to those who prefer to carry a handgun, but I don't think they are tactically superior to a carbine. For self defense in a society that is afraid of publically displayed firearms, a hand gun is ideal for concealability and firepower. A great tool, but not the ultimate tool.



And BIG, that sounds more like a "Chitty" experience, to me!! :-laf Black bears don't really make the hair stand up on the back of my neck. But meet a big brownie or Grizz face up on a trail... . Oh, hell no!! It's like staring down the devil. They're big, they're deadly, and they know it!! Not many things I back down from, but I backed away slowly, in a very defensive posture!! All I had was my . 45 ACP, but you can bet it was drawn and centered!! Luckily, the bear just didn't give a dang that I was there. He'd already eaten a few tourists in the park, I guess. He walked up to where I had been standing, smelled the ground, and lumbered off through the trees. Didn't even look over his shoulder at me. That was in Yellowstone, just above the rockfaces below Mt. Washburn?, IIRC. I was hiking the area above the lake, just taking my mental vacation for the year... ... So much for sleeping that night!!!
 
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Close quarters, a long gun gives you a physical advantage, if you know how to use it. A handgun is fine. Many law enforcement agencies use them, as that's the most practical tool for their job. But what do those same officers carry in a rack above their seats? What do the SWAT and SORT teams use? What do Marine's use? No offense to those who prefer to carry a handgun, but I don't think they are tactically superior to a carbine. For self defense in a society that is afraid of publically displayed firearms, a hand gun is ideal for concealability and firepower. A great tool, but not the ultimate tool.





Close quarters with a rifle will give 2 legged critters a psychological disadvantage. :-laf
 
Close quarters with a rifle will give 2 legged critters a psychological disadvantage. :-laf



I dont think a disadvantage is correct. If you practice getting it out and ready to use its pretty darn fast. I took Gregs suggestion and spent time with it and like HH said nothing better than live fire. I reduced the loads untill I was able to get the Marlin out and cocked and in the shoulder before I up ed the anti with some Stout reloads. And even more time before I went to FULL HOUSE loads. I feel pretty good about my chances with it. Getting off the mule and pulling it out of the scabbard was the hardest thing to conquer. But practice pays off.
 
if i lived where you do i would have the rifle along with plenty of sidearm. at least a . 44 with 300s more likely a . 460 with 400s plus they kick less with compensators. without doubt though its all about practice.
 
if i lived where you do i would have the rifle along with plenty of sidearm. at least a . 44 with 300s more likely a . 460 with 400s plus they kick less with compensators. without doubt though its all about practice.



During the day we are not to far from a weapon we have them all over the house and a few in the barn and a few in the shop. But at night IM PACKIN when I'm leaving the barn or shutting down the shop and walking to the house. I have BLOWN AWAY MY SHARE OF TRASH CANS dam raccoons make noise and I have emptied a Mag of 12 ga slugs into the cans. WIFE ASKES ARE YOU TROHPY HUNTING AGAIN???? :-laf Once you get jumpy its a hard habit to brake. But signs like this dont make it easy either. And this is at the back of the property where ours meets Forest department land.
 
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