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Standardized tow ratings coming

Posted on June 4th, 2012 • by David Zatz

Not long ago, there was a small scandal over certain carmakers using different methods for coming up with their advertised horsepower ratings, leading to an agreement among all automakers to use specific SAE standards. Companies modified their advertised horsepower up and down — usually down, especially among the Asian contingent — as a result.

A similar effort was to be implemented by the 2012 model year for tow ratings, which have been criticized by some for their apparently arbitrary — and certainly variable by company — standards. This would put all the automakers in the same boat, and while some might suffer at first, they might benefit later. More to the point, it will help customers to know whether they can really tow that 10,500 pound load safely and without undue problems.

At Ram, an engineer wrote, “Most of our products would rate significantly higher if sold by other manufacturers. ” Other insiders suggested that Dodge / Ram has tended to use more conservative ratings, and at least one direct competitor has tended to use looser ratings.

According to Automobile, Standard J2807 requires tests to use a towed unit with a minimum frontal area (that varies by weight), with specifications on load distribution. The Tow Vehicle Trailering Weight (TVTW) now includes the weight of a driver and passenger, options chosen by at least a third of buyers, and hitch; that lowers the published GCWR and TWR.

Acceleration on level roads are spelled out, in terms of 0-30, 0-60, and 40-60 mph times; depending on whether the tow vehicle has single or dual rear wheels, and a gross weight rating of over 13,000 pounds, allowable 0-60 times can be from 30 to 40 seconds. There are grade launch rules (repeatedly going from a stop to 16 feet away, forward and reverse, on a 12% grade), and highway gradeability rules (using a 12-mile run with an average 5% grade and minimum allowed outside temperature of 100 degrees F — with air conditioners on maximum). Trucks must maintain at least 30 – 40 mph on this grade depending on class with no failures, warnings, or diagnostic codes and no loss of coolant, and the trucks must have the lowest (numerical) axle ratio available.

The rules also specify handling and braking requirements, and structural rules for hitch attachment points. The standard does not include endurance of truck components otherwise, or brake fade.

Legally, SAE can only enforce the rules through the use of its trademark power; only companies that follow them can say that the model meets or exceeds the tow-vehicle trailering requirements of SAE International per SAE J2807.
 
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Standardized tow ratings coming



Posted on June 4th, 2012 • by David Zatz





Acceleration on level roads are spelled out, in terms of 0-30, 0-60, and 40-60 mph times; depending on whether the tow vehicle has single or dual rear wheels, and a gross weight rating of over 13,000 pounds, allowable 0-60 times can be from 30 to 40 seconds.





I am a little confused about the 13,000 gvw. Would that eliminate the rules for class 3 and down?? I would think 13,000 would be for class 4 and up. Are 1-tons rated over 13,000 now?



Nick
 
Nick,

Yes, I think some recent Ram 3500s have a GVWR of 13,000. I think mine is 12,500. Some 4 x 4s have 13k GVWRs.

If memory serves, Class IV trucks have a GVWR starting at 14,000 and Class Vs are, I think, 19,000 lbs.

My interpretation of the rules is one acceleration standard for trucks with GVWR below 13k, and a different, probably slower minimum, for trucks with GVWR over 14k.
 
Harvey, how bad would the pre 07. 5 48re, 3. 73 trucks do on these tests? I guessing not very well at all! Mark
 
Mark,

I have never run a stop watch or timed one but my '06 dually with 4. 10, in pure stock form, was pretty fast after the first second or two of getting the heavy load rolling.

I would guess an automatic 3. 73 or 4. 10 Ram would meet the standard pretty easily.
 
An SAE benchmark for towing is long overdue.



That ought to rein in a few of these OEM sponsered claims/tests such as the half-assed hill climb... ..... :rolleyes:



Mike. :)
 
Isn't this the standard that Ram used on the Max Tow, and why the ratings went so high? I also believe it's why the Tundra's ratings dropped a year or so ago. Per RAM specs I cannot find a DRW with a GVWR higher than 12,300. I am guessing that the 2500/3500 (non Max Tow) ratings will be significantly higher for 2013.

This is the same thing we talked about in a few threads last summer, and it's about time that it was implemented.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...-manufacturers-agree-new-rating-standard.html

I'd like to see what my truck would do with the few extra horses.
 
Interesting. I guess Furd and Govt. Motors are proving what many of us TDR members have been saying for years. Their numbers are lies.
 
I wonder if DOT will acknowledge the SAE standards and upgrade their old method of 10,001 lbs GVW as a truck. As you travel around the country you still see POE signs saying all trucks over 10,000 GVW must enter. With the newer ratings of the 1-tons I guess you could say they meet the truck standard and should pull in, but I don't think it is enforced.



Nick
 
Nick,

I doubt it because those laws are controlled by each state.

Active RV transporters and nationwide hotshotters know which states are serious and which are not. I don't remember clearly now but I stopped at most states with signs like that when loaded but knew I could ignore a couple of them.

KA, for example. The first time I pulled into a scale on I-5 in northern KA with a trailer on a scale operator came out yelling and waving his arms telling me to stay off their scales and never come back.
 
Harvey,



Yes, I have been blasting past the scales since I have been hauling with my 2500 Dodge but it still scares me until I get a ways down the road. Especially with loads like this: If I can, I plan my hauls on the weekend to lessen the exposure, most secondary road type scales are closed then.



Nick
 
Holy crap! I assume you have a CDL A but I don't see any DOT numbers on the truck which makes me suspect lots of other little details! Do you have 4" by 4" hardwood blocks stacked between the frame rails and axles on that 2500 to prevent spring deflection?

I ran into some poor hapless, uninformed guy in a truck stop out west years ago when I was transporting. He was hauling RVS for some no name company with no driver training or supervision. He was dumb enough to run the AZ DOT scale on I-15 in that short corner of AZ between Lost Wages and Utah. He had an $800 ticket to show for his slick move.

I used to run an occasional scale also but never with a huge overload like your load of hay bales on that truck and trailer in your photo. I guess you look like a farmer or rancher and farmers and ranchers can often get away with DOT "murder. "
 
Now you know why I needed the heavier axles and tires:)



Actually it is not as heavy as it looks and I know perception is what gets you stopped. That load is about 25,500 gcw, I stay under the 26,000 limit. Notice the pickup sits level and tires are all looking good. Grass hay is light. I have 210 bales @ 60 lbs each or about 6. 5 ton. It probably is less then a good load of sand in your dump trailer but you have a lot bigger truck so the perception (of overload) is not noticed.



Nick
 
Now you know why I needed the heavier axles and tires:)

Actually it is not as heavy as it looks and I know perception is what gets you stopped. That load is about 25,500 gcw, I stay under the 26,000 limit. Notice the pickup sits level and tires are all looking good. Grass hay is light. I have 210 bales @ 60 lbs each or about 6. 5 ton. It probably is less then a good load of sand in your dump trailer but you have a lot bigger truck so the perception (of overload) is not noticed.

Nick

Good explanation. I assumed, wrongly I see, that the hay was at least 50% heavier than you explained.
 
DID ANYONE READ THIS??????

GM releases numbers then retracts because Ford won't go along with the new ratings. Duh their frames are old news and won't cut it!

Yes, it lacks the ring of truth or common sense. If Govt. Motors released accurate info based on the new performance standards what difference does it make if Furd continues to release bogus, inflated claims. Everyone but Furd buyers understand that Furd's numbers, whatever they are, are bogus. Furd has to lie. They haven't had real engines in their trucks since about 2001 the last of the old Navistar bus motors and they weren't very good, just adequate.
 
The GM's went down a lot on 2500's, apparently Ford thinks they will go down a LOT!!

"The largest drop in tow ratings came in selected 2500 models with 5th-wheel and gooseneck hitches. For example, a two-wheel-drive regular-cab long bed with the Duramax diesel and 3. 73:1 axle was rated at 17,800 pounds using a 5th-wheel hitch. For 2013, the rating drops to 14,400 pounds. A four-wheel-drive Extended Cab long bed with the diesel and a 3. 73:1 axle saw its rating drop from 15,700 pounds to 10,900 pounds. "

I am shocked that a motor rated at 397/765 cannot meet the J2807 specs at over 10,900 lbs! That is almost embarrassing! The comparable Tundra is rated at 381/401 and meets J2807 at 9,800 lbs. So with the extra power and torque all the DMAX get's is 1,100 lbs!
 
Am I correct when I tell people our 4th gen trucks already meet the new standards?
I pulled the J2807 info from a towing post on RV. NET. Ford won't comply until they have an all new truck that meets the ratings, but no one knows when they will step up. Why should they change they have so many sheep that buy them because it is a 'SUPER DUTY' and 'POWER STROKE'. Must be nice to have so many blind followers.
 
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