Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting super redhawk 454 casull

[KBurgoyne]

im interested in the new ruger 454, but given the bolt-action level pressures (50000 plus CUP), is the gun strong enough being a six shot to handle the pressure. im not planning on firing maxes all the time, but if the gun cant handle what the cartridge can put out i dont want it. i know about the freedom arms 5 shot thats built like a tank, but im not looking for a single action or tank like prices.



thanks for any information

 

[BIGNASTY]

The Super Redhawk 44 Mag with these is quite a handful. I can understand someone wanting more (not really) but the Redhawk will MORE than STANDUP to what ever a sane person can handle in a stress situation most only want ONE ROUND of it and then rational thinking and a hand that wont be the same for a few days takes over( in most cases). I have no second thoughts that the Redhawk will take what ever you want to run thru it in WHAT EVER CAL IT'S CHAMBERD FOR.

 

[GHarman]

I have a Freedom Arms . 454. Dont know about the Ruger?

As far as a TANK? The Freedom Arms Revolver fits that description! I've had mine since 1996.

Yes they were expensive, even more so, now. However, I've seen them at gunshows for a fraction of their wholesale cost.

You just have to be at the right place, at the right time.

The Ruger Redhawk in . 45 Long Colt would be a REAL Handy DA revolver that will handle some Serious +P . 45 Colt loads. This at a real value price.

One thing I do like about the FA revolver is the 1. 8" cylinder length. Long heavy bullets as well as high BC semi spitzer bullets work great.

Having ordered a separate . 45 LC cylinder when I ordered the FA, I am loading the 200 Gr. FTX bullets in the . 45 LC cases. The overall length, when crimped will still clear the cylinder mouth. This load is light recoiling and shoots to the same point of aim at 25 yards as the . 454 Magnum loads using the 260 Gr. Nosler Partition HG.

Good Luck with your search.

GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

long cylinder is definitely nice. ive loaded 44 mags out to 1. 730 in a s and w 629. 45 colt loads will be the most common thing shot since its cheaper, and more manageable. my concern was that the 454 runs 10-15k CUP hotter than the 44, and with six shots in the cylinder the metal starts to get a little thin in between. that said the new ones are heavier than the slightly older ones, more beefy where in needs to be. under 50 ounces doesnt seem like enough gun for that round.

 

[GHarman]

The location of the cylinder lock notches are the key. If they are between the chambers, you will still have plenty of meat in the chamber wall.
If is directly over the chamber X6, you could have an issue! That would be a poor design, anyway.
GregH

 

[JJPage]

im interested in the new ruger 454, but given the bolt-action level pressures (50000 plus CUP), is the gun strong enough being a six shot to handle the pressure. im not planning on firing maxes all the time, but if the gun cant handle what the cartridge can put out i dont want it. i know about the freedom arms 5 shot thats built like a tank, but im not looking for a single action or tank like prices.

thanks for any information

Can you contact Ruger and ask this question? Seems they would be able to tell you what it has been safely tested to.

I have a Super Redhawk in the . 44 caliber version, after firing off two boxes of 330gr +p loads this summer, I kind of agree with BIG, that was as much as I would ever want to handle. I normally shoot 200gr Hornady's, and they are a pleasure, still has a good kick, but I expect it and it no longer is bothersome. I have fired upwards of 800 rounds since purchasing this gun earlier this year, and I love the firearm.

I am sure you will like the 454 if purchased, I love my Alaskan!

 

[tuffs93]

I had a Freedom Arms 454 with a 6 inch barrel. Kinda like packing a . 44 cal. ruger blackhawk as far as weight. Recoil is another issue. I can shoot the . 44 as much as i can afford to and not have a sore wrist. The . 454 . about 20 rounds and it was enough. Its all of what you want and can afford. I've been collecting/selling/trading guns for 30 years and as far as were concerned ( had to add my wife in ) you can't have to many or to much ammo... . If you want a . 454 get one. I know Ruger , on all there guns, before they go into production, they run about thousand regular loads and about a thousand Hot loads thru them on the demo models. Years ago they used to advertise that, and I have a friend that works at Ruger . He says that its more like 5K of each. I'm not a diehard Ruger fan, but they do build a nice gun.

 

[KBurgoyne]

Can you contact Ruger and ask this question? Seems they would be able to tell you what it has been safely tested to.

I have a Super Redhawk in the . 44 caliber version, after firing off two boxes of 330gr +p loads this summer, I kind of agree with BIG, that was as much as I would ever want to handle. I normally shoot 200gr Hornady's, and they are a pleasure, still has a good kick, but I expect it and it no longer is bothersome. I have fired upwards of 800 rounds since purchasing this gun earlier this year, and I love the firearm.

I am sure you will like the 454 if purchased, I love my Alaskan!

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you should try the 300 grain xtps. they have a secondary crimp grove so they can be loaded long to reduce pressure. the second grove lines up at about 1. 725, add 19 grains of h110, and you have a very fun to shoot, clean, and low pressure round that not bad at all on recoil. i think the bullets run 20 bucks for 50, or less if you can find them in bulk.

 

[KBurgoyne]

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/28...ter-300-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-50



they're cheaper than i thought.

 

[BGlidewell]

Love this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31EEgrQOh04

 

[JJPage]

Love this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31EEgrQOh04

Neat video, if that's 300 yards my eyesight or perception is badly scewed, looks closer to 100 yards. still nice shooting.

I wonder if I could get my wife to bang on a pan 10 seconds after I shoot...

 

[JJPage]

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/28...ter-300-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-50

they're cheaper than i thought.

Thanks KB!!!!!

 

[KBurgoyne]

before you buy them make sure they will fit to the second groove. measure the legth of the cylinder and add . 050 for the rim of the case gives you the actual max legth for your revolver. easy to test too. put in a dummy round. if the cylinder can rotate without the bullet making contact with the barrel its good to go.



same bullet, same charge, same kick, but the longer one was clean, and the short one expanded and stuck in the chamber a little because of the pressure.

 

[KBurgoyne]

now im liking the smith and wesson 460 vxr. it fires the 460, 454, and 45 colt with gain rifling that gives it great accuracy, and a five shot cylinder for strength. decisions decisions.

 

[GHarman]

Sounds good in a pinch, however! Just think about chamber dimensions vs the unsupported jump into the smaller diameter of the cylinder throats. If you have "Accuracy" it will certainly be subjective. I am not a big fan of jumping. I do not fire . 45 LC ammo in a . 454 Chamber. A worse case scenario awaits the . 45LC ammo fired in a . 460 S&W chamber. Yes it can be done! I dont believe you will be happy with the results. That . 460 was designed to fire . 460 Ammo. In a pinch, you could throw the smaller rounds into the chambers and fire them Just dont expect to get the precision AND accuracy that you will with the . 460 Ammo. The . 460 will work best with a long barrel. If you get a stubby tube? You will loose the potential performance in a large fireball! Remember also that the high performance . 460 bullets are fairly light in weight and heavily constructed. Investigate thoroughly if that S&W (Lothar Walther) barrel has the lands and groove design that will handle all of your intended shooting. Including cast, swaged lead or jacketed offerings with thin jackets? High velocity lead bullets strip out of the lands in shallow or polygon designs. Just some thoughts.
GregH

 

[BGlidewell]

now im liking the smith and wesson 460 vxr. it fires the 460, 454, and 45 colt with gain rifling that gives it great accuracy, and a five shot cylinder for strength. decisions decisions.

Me too. 1200 bucks though.

 

[KBurgoyne]

http://www.gunblast.com/SW460XVR.htm



detailed review on the gun. the gain rifling allows it to eat whatever you put through it. theres a good explanation of gain rifling at the bottm of the article.

 

[GHarman]

Gain twist has been around for more years than the diesel engine. Its not the twist rate. It is the depth and geometry of the rifling.
The S&W may just be your ticket?
GregH

 

[PParker32]

All you have to know is "It's a RUGER".

 

[KBurgoyne]

if the ruger was a 5 shot and had the extra meat that the smith does i'd take it. i've handled a super redhawk in 480, and it felt downright dainty. it just doesn't breed the same confidence as a large chunk of steel.