Dodge half ton diesel pickup

[rekabeka]

Why couldn't Cummins provide the V6 diesel for the 1500 pickup? Thats really putting more Americans to work! Just what we need, more out sourceing.

 

[RideSlow2004]

Just a guess, but it would be built like a Cummins... ... heavy, powerful, and last forever. Get that initial 10,000 extra buyers, and then... . crickets.

 

[Jim W]

Why couldn't Cummins provide the V6 diesel for the 1500 pickup? Thats really putting more Americans to work! Just what we need, more out sourceing.

You do understand who owns Ram, Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler. This is pure and simply an economic decision if Fait owns an engine manufacture who builds a diesel engine and this diesel engine is being installed in US export products why would they go to a different engine company?

I believe we are in a true word economy and producing products for the entire world from anywhere in the world. The manufactures will source and buy from the lowest cost provider that can meet the delivery and demand schedule. I have seen this at large equipment manufactures where you work with a supplier to deliver a component and then find out it was source from an entirely different manufacture and country. Why; lowest cost supplier who could meet the production schedules.
Jim W.

 

[RustyJC]

I'm sure there are debates between Italian management and Ram brand management all the time about why they continue to go outside to buy Cummins diesels for the HD Rams. I suspect Fiat Powertrain has something from the Euro truck line that would work in place of the B-series Cummins, but the Ram marketing folks have to keep reminding them that a primary reason consumers buy the HD Rams is because they want the Cummins engine. So, with a clean sheet of paper opportunity like the 1/2 ton Ram, it's not surprising that they went in-house for a diesel engine.



Rusty

 

[Bill Stockard]

Why couldn't Cummins provide the V6 diesel for the 1500 pickup? Thats really putting more Americans to work! Just what we need, more out sourceing.

There's no guarantee that a V6 would be built in the US. The B-series engine is built worldwide in Cummins plants. It just happens that the present lowest cost B-series engine plant for Ram trucks is located in Walesboro, IN.



If you read the book about the modern era of Cummins, Red, Black, and Bold, you will learn that Cummins has become a worldwide manufacturer with plants and facilities located around the world. If you check their financials. you will discover that they, like many other US based manufacturers, receive as much or more revenue from their off shore operations than their operations in the US.



Bill

 

[HBarlow]

Why couldn't Cummins provide the V6 diesel for the 1500 pickup? Thats really putting more Americans to work! Just what we need, more out sourceing.

The manufacturer of Dodge Ram trucks is Fiat, an Italian company. Why should they care about "putting more Americans to work?"

I hate to disappoint you but the purpose and goal of corporations is not to put people to work but to earn a profit for their shareholders.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Given the typical usage if the 1500 class trucks, and the relatively high price of diesel compared to regular grade gas, added to by the significantly higher price of a quality diesel option in the 1500's, I can't really see any significant advantage with a diesel in what would still be a light-duty truck. I just don't see a large-scale market for them at the 1500 level, compared to an available gas engine...

 

[HBarlow]

Given the typical usage if the 1500 class trucks, and the relatively high price of diesel compared to regular grade gas, added to by the significantly higher price of a quality diesel option in the 1500's, I can't really see any significant advantage with a diesel in what would still be a light-duty truck. I just don't see a large-scale market for them at the 1500 level, compared to an available gas engine...

I have the same opinion. I'm frankly surprised that Dodge/Ram is going to spend the big bucks required to engineer the installation and then perform all the testing and certification to bring one to market. I think the price will be too close to that of a Cummins-powered Ram 2500 for many to make that choice but we'll see. Perhaps sales will surprise me.

 

[NIsaacs]

Why couldn't Cummins provide the V6 diesel for the 1500 pickup? Thats really putting more Americans to work! Just what we need, more out sourceing.

If I remember right, the article said the pickup would be built in Warren, Michigan.



Nick

 

[RustyJC]

One never knows what will appeal to a consumer. Ford has upped the price for the EcoBoost V-6 option on the F-150 to $2,095 - the EcoBoost has gone into 43% of the F-150s. SOURCE.



Rusty

 

[Roostre]

I recently had an Eco-boost rental F-150 while my truck was in the shop. The motor flat out rocks! I averaged about 17MPG flogging it and could get 23 on longer highway sections easily.

If I didn't need to pull 14K lbs I would buy the Eco-boost.

Not sure the Dodge will be able to compete with the VM Motori, and I have owned one in a Liberty CRD. It was a good motor, but had a rubber timing belt. If the 3. 0 VM that Dodge is using has a belt my bet is that sales will be less than they hoped for.

 

[TFaucette]

I think they are trying to pit the truck without a huge premium other than the expensive emissions added cost, I wannna say that the grand diesel with the 3. 0 mecedes only carried a $1,500 premium over the gas grand. could be wrong but being the only half ton diesel and and a lot cheaper than a HD truck(which some people buy just to get a diesel engine) I think it will be a success or at least I hope, how ever I really wish It could have been an ISB 4. 5 in the half ton. but all I can say is look out aftermarket! here comes tuners right around the corner. banks is already building these engines for military specs so i'm sure they'll have products days after the truck is out on the lots! (even though I am not at all a banks fan)

 

[Cosmo]

The manufacturer of Dodge Ram trucks is Fiat, an Italian company. Why should they care about "putting more Americans to work?"

I hate to disappoint you but the purpose and goal of corporations is not to put people to work but to earn a profit for their shareholders.

You know where the Fiat 500 engine is made? USA. Then it's shipped to Mexico where it's mated to an Italian transmission, and then bolted into a Mexican car.





Cummins has an excellent little 4-cylinder diesel that would have been a great choice for the Ram 1500, however it's easier to use existing technology than to outsource to a 3rd party and then have to either source a transmission or build one to fit. Since they've already done the legwork to stuff this diesel together with a transmission into the Grand Cherokee platform, it's a no-brainer just to pull the engine, transmission, and PCM out of that and put it in the Ram.

Hopefully the EPA won't cause the benefits of diesel to be completely negated by the cost of maintenance and up-front fees.

 

[Jim W]

I maybe wrong but doesn't the Diesel engine option in the 1500Ram truck help Chrysler meet the CAF rules for corporate average fuel economy. I also believe that the FEDS do not care how many trucks or cars are sold just as long that the manufacture meets the CAF rules. So there is another reason to add the diesel engine to the 1500 truck.
Jim W.

 

[DonFitzwater]

This is good news... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... as long as it's not priced out of the market which is what I predict.

 

[Regcabguy]

Yeah,$40K+ 1/2 tons are begining to be the norm. Not happening for me.

 

[EGroeneveld]

One never knows what will appeal to a consumer. Ford has upped the price for the EcoBoost V-6 option on the F-150 to $2,095 - the EcoBoost has gone into 43% of the F-150s. SOURCE.



Rusty

I bet the success of the the Ecoboost sales drove FIAT to believe there was a business case for doing a diesel in the 1500. If they can keep the price jump under 4K I believe they'll sell a bunch. Myself included. I might jump for one as a daily driver/non heavy hauler. For some it will be all about the numbers. Cost of the diesel option offset by the MPG gains. Until we really know the numbers we just guessing. But for many people they will spend 20K to ''save'' 1,000 in fuel. We all saw this in 2008, when people traded in completely paid for SUV's for a small car with a huge loan payment attached. There are also a lot of people with money that checking the ''diesel'' option on a loaded up $50K 1500 pickup is not a big deal. They add a truck topper, never tow, and just go to Home Depot twice a year with it... .

 

[Bonecollector34]

I think it would of been nice for the 1500 to have a Cummins in it. But as far as I am aware, Nissan has the 1/2 ton truck diesel contract with Cummins. It is going to be pretty interesting to see how Rams will stack up to a Japanese truck with a Cummins. They should do pretty good if they keep the cost down. The Nissan Titan right now is way over priced. Now, just imagine it with a Cummins. I am looking forward to seeing what comes from this. Chevy and Ford will be in the mix soon too, if the trucks sell well.

 

[WTierney]

Go for quality

Go for quality, Go for Cummins known for quality in marine, Ram, big trucks, etc. etc. They have a 4 cyl. being used all over the country with a good record and it could be used in a Ram 1500.

 

[EGroeneveld]

Here is another thought... I'd be interested in seeing how Nissan dealers would handle a diesel motor all of a sudden. Ie, diesel mechanics and diesel service... . At least Dodge/Ram dealers are already use to having diesel trucks to work on and to know. I personally would be needing some hard convincing to go to my local Nissan Dealer for a diesel pickup (even if it was a Cummins) I already have a very good confort level with my Dodge/Ram dealer in regards to diesel trucks. My local nissan dealer is crap...