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If that was the ambulance that broke down, it was not new... ... that is several yrs old maybe 2002? and yes ambulances break down... happened to me a couple of times... unfortunately it was a very serious call when it happened, but did a make a difference that it took a little longer? maybe not... they might have worked them and would have died no matter what..... or maybe the knife is what could have saved them... . its part of the game, when your in the 911 business... just an unfortunate problem at the time... . I have been driving a meat wagon for over 16 yrs and it is a rare thing for that to happen, at least where i have worked... .
 
This one happened last week according to the article. Regen also didn't exist around 2002, or before 2007.
 
At my 200k plus city, we are currently litigating a crank sensor failure that happened at the worst possible moment and did effect the outcome.

In addition, one of our units (2012) just ingested two valves while running outside when the crew was inside. They came out to a their brand new ambulance making one of hell of a clatter in the pt. s driveway. Talked to service writer on this as I had to pick it up. He said they were never able to determine why on a 17k miles motor, it failed so badly? It was a $20k job they were not happy about doing.

As a kid 20 yrs ago, I used and abuse those old 6. 9's with nary a complaint. Then the early 7. 3's, again without difficulty. 6. 0's and 6'4's even were pretty decent when maintained. Not sure what the future holds but if this is it, then I am a little worried.
 
Thanks, firemansdiesel. Thats a good site. I dug deeper and it also seems that DC fire has a problem maintaining their fleet. With all the cutbacks going on nationwide- I'm not surprised.
http://firechief.com/maintenance-amp-repair/inspector-general-questions-readiness-dc-fire-apparatus-fleet

I did do maintenance for a private ambulance co. years ago- in the 6. 9 and 7. 3 days- and as long as they got going in the morning, they were pretty good. We always made fun of the 7. 3, but in hindsight- compared to the newer stuff from Ford and Navistar, it wasn't really bad... ...
 
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At my 200k plus city, we are currently litigating a crank sensor failure that happened at the worst possible moment and did effect the outcome.

In addition, one of our units (2012) just ingested two valves while running outside when the crew was inside. They came out to a their brand new ambulance making one of hell of a clatter in the pt. s driveway. Talked to service writer on this as I had to pick it up. He said they were never able to determine why on a 17k miles motor, it failed so badly? It was a $20k job they were not happy about doing.

As a kid 20 yrs ago, I used and abuse those old 6. 9's with nary a complaint. Then the early 7. 3's, again without difficulty. 6. 0's and 6'4's even were pretty decent when maintained. Not sure what the future holds but if this is it, then I am a little worried.

I started in 1991 and the first station I was assigned to had a bunch of 6. 9's. I don't remember having an issue other than not being able to shut them down in colder weather for fear that they wouldn't restart. Most everyone around here has gone with GM chassis now with their new ones and I am seeing a few gas Fords lately.
 
I started in 1991 and the first station I was assigned to had a bunch of 6. 9's. I don't remember having an issue other than not being able to shut them down in colder weather for fear that they wouldn't restart. Most everyone around here has gone with GM chassis now with their new ones and I am seeing a few gas Fords lately.

Oh the memories you bring back:) I worked for a pretty large private service in Chicago, (Vandenburg Ambulance) and worked the night shift. We used to "stage" at strategic places throughout the city in what was then termed "status system management". We would find ourselves oftentimes on the lake front waiting for the next call. Those old 6. 9's and early 7. 3's would not maintain any temperature when the -20 windchill was screaming off the lake. And yes, there was no shutting them down!

I remember a couple slow nights being out there and trying to catch a snooze in the back of the ambulance being around 30 degrees inside. Made for some long nights! Quickly learned that thermal underwear was my friend.

But yes, if they had oil in them at the start of the shift, they would make it through the night. They were pretty tough motors for what they were asked to do. The only real problem we had back then was transmissions. I remember the mechanic saying we were only getting about 15k miles out of a transmission rebuild. That might have had something to do with having a bunch of 20 something kids driving them though:)

For what it is worth, I do know the top speed of an IDI 7. 3 in a type II, (van). 107mph as clocked via the Illinois State Troopers. That was enroute to a particularly bad crash on I-80. I am strangely surprised sometimes that I am here typing stuff such as this and lived through those early years... .
 
Oh the memories you bring back:) I worked for a pretty large private service in Chicago, (Vandenburg Ambulance) and worked the night shift. We used to "stage" at strategic places throughout the city in what was then termed "status system management". We would find ourselves oftentimes on the lake front waiting for the next call. Those old 6. 9's and early 7. 3's would not maintain any temperature when the -20 windchill was screaming off the lake. And yes, there was no shutting them down!

I remember a couple slow nights being out there and trying to catch a snooze in the back of the ambulance being around 30 degrees inside. Made for some long nights! Quickly learned that thermal underwear was my friend.

But yes, if they had oil in them at the start of the shift, they would make it through the night. They were pretty tough motors for what they were asked to do. The only real problem we had back then was transmissions. I remember the mechanic saying we were only getting about 15k miles out of a transmission rebuild. That might have had something to do with having a bunch of 20 something kids driving them though:)

For what it is worth, I do know the top speed of an IDI 7. 3 in a type II, (van). 107mph as clocked via the Illinois State Troopers. That was enroute to a particularly bad crash on I-80. I am strangely surprised sometimes that I am here typing stuff such as this and lived through those early years... .

When I first started, I would work 2 12's and one 24 per week and then catch an additional shift or 2 when someone called off. It was nothing to end up with 70-80 hours at any given time. Of course, when you are 20, you don't need sleep. Now, I have trouble making it through one long day. I started at 7:45 yesterday and didn't get home until after 11:00 last night. Just rolled my lazy middle aged butt out of bed after 8:00 and I'm still chugging down coffee just trying to get going. :-laf

Getting back to those old units for a minute, back during the blizzard of '93, I believe that we worked something like 3 or 4 days strait. After the snow stopped the temp dropped to well below 0 not factoring the wind chill. I know that those old Fords ran for at least a week never shutting down. When we were out on what we call "halfway standby" which would be your status system management, I would go out a drape a tarp over the grill just to try and keep a little heat in the thing. After a few years, I got smart enough to halfway in the parking lot of a convinence store or other local business so that we could at least have a place to go and get warm.

I don't run the units much anymore, but speaking of top speed, I've heard that a 2013 DT466 Int. is ECM limited to 84 mph and gets about 4 mpg doing it. ;)
 
If that was the ambulance that broke down, it was not new... ... that is several yrs old maybe 2002?

The press is funny. They'll put anything up thinking we won't know the difference. That's probably a file photo, they admit to have big maintenance problems so they prolly have lots of pictures of buses with hoods up.
The M. E. is finishing a covert sifting op near me and the press is off limits. They're checking the last bits of 9/11 material to give closure to some families here who still have MIA from then. The idiot press cant get any footage on this so what do they do? they run antique video on the Fresh Kills landfill back when it was full swing, along with newer footage from our present transfer station. They're showing GARBAGE being pushed around and people don't know any different.

Back to topic. I had a big truck just today that had a failed regen due to a ignition problem- so it was in stage 4. The truck died in a turn as I was getting it into the bay. It doesn't care what it's doing or who it's carrying. Blame the government greenies on this one.
 
It burns my *** that EPA didn't allow the exception to begin with.

In my area, most of the EMS rigs are older than 07. 5 so it hasn't been an issue; luckily.

Be safe brothers.
 
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This is outrageous! A REGEN has now--literally--killed someone. What's it going to take to get these knuckleheads to develop a better "clean" diesel?
 
This is outrageous! A REGEN has now--literally--killed someone. What's it going to take to get these knuckleheads to develop a better "clean" diesel?

They already exist. Any diesel prior to 07. 5.
 
No regen inhibit switch?

I have heard of fire crews hitting the regen delay switch multiple times until major damage was done.
 
Not having a newer unit/ truck is not an option in some places, especially in the larger cities and in NYC and LA. We had a good fleet of vehicles going until THIS http://www.dec. ny.gov/docs/air_pdf/deraslides.pdf happened. Retrofitting the older stuff had horrible results.
The inhibit switch is only a temporary thing so the vehicle won't light off in a garage or ER bay etc. On some fleets they're not in the spec because they'll get hit "by accident" to put a truck out of service etc. Bottom line, as I'm sure we all understand, is that once the engine accumulates enough soot it's going down and will need a long manual burn or even a filter swap. Emergency response vehicles should be exempt from having DPF's
 
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When I first started, I would work 2 12's and one 24 per week and then catch an additional shift or 2 when someone called off. It was nothing to end up with 70-80 hours at any given time. Of course, when you are 20, you don't need sleep. Now, I have trouble making it through one long day. I started at 7:45 yesterday and didn't get home until after 11:00 last night. Just rolled my lazy middle aged butt out of bed after 8:00 and I'm still chugging down coffee just trying to get going. :-laf



Getting back to those old units for a minute, back during the blizzard of '93, I believe that we worked something like 3 or 4 days strait. After the snow stopped the temp dropped to well below 0 not factoring the wind chill. I know that those old Fords ran for at least a week never shutting down. When we were out on what we call "halfway standby" which would be your status system management, I would go out a drape a tarp over the grill just to try and keep a little heat in the thing. After a few years, I got smart enough to halfway in the parking lot of a convinence store or other local business so that we could at least have a place to go and get warm.



I don't run the units much anymore, but speaking of top speed, I've heard that a 2013 DT466 Int. is ECM limited to 84 mph and gets about 4 mpg doing it. ;)



jgillot, you and I must be about the same age. Reading your replies is how I remember early EMS when we were still kind of figuring it out, (and having a lot of fun in process).



Back to the topic, we took delivery of a two new engines this year and a ladder truck, (both E-one). Like often times happens with a dept our size, (trying to be politically correct) the information that we get is very limited. The spiel went something like this, "Uh, yeah, regeneration is not to be done indoors or at a fire scene and make sure you fill that tank up too. That was it. The engines were somewhere in the neighborhood of $350,000 and the truck was $975,000, (we don't have pumps on our trucks). My point being that, failures occur secondary to information dissemination through the chain of users and institutional blind-spots, while having increasingly complex equipment.



When jgillot and I were in our early careers, crusty old salesmen or managers would just give you a quick, but detailed briefing on operation, which was often laced with profanities and threats of job loss or violence if you screwed up.
 
I've thought they should be exempt since day one of all this crap. I've been seeing several of the V10 ambulances lately. At least you don't have to deal with crap like this. The environmental wackos have basically ruined diesels. They are almost there. By design.



My department used to have a 1991 E350 Type III. Had a non-turbo 7. 3L. Wasn't a race car... but NEVER had a problem. We even hit a deer once on the way in and it ruined the radiator. But still kept going the remaining 10 miles. It was a tough bus.
 
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