Ok to use diesel fuel conditioner on 2013 2500 Ram?

[Trent Greschuk]

Gents,

Ok to use or will it mess something up?

Thanks in advance,

Trent

 

[DonFitzwater]

Nope. No additives.

 

[Trent Greschuk]

What about potential moisture in the diesel?
Thanks!
Trent

 

[E7mack96]

don't use anything that emulsifies moisture. . it'll ruin your system. . the water separator should take care of that.

 

[Gonzo 1066]

The 2013 and up use two fuel filters both with a water drain. Unless I happen to be in very cold conditions I will not use any additives in the new truck.

 

[TCDiesel]

The 2013 and up use two fuel filters both with a water drain. Unless I happen to be in very cold conditions I will not use any additives in the new truck.

X2 in some State the additive(s) will cause the refinery additive package to separate making the fuel degrade to possible fuel relate problems.

 

[JJPage]

What's a body to do about gelling, if no additives are permitted?

 

[TCDiesel]

The retail fuel (At Pump) sold Here in MN is good to -17 and then some.

 

[Powder Extreme]

The only way to prevent diesel from gelling is blend with #1 which reduces power and mileage or use an additive. How can they say no additives to cold climates.



Some truckstops only sell #2 with anti gel additives

 

[TCDiesel]

The only way to prevent diesel from gelling is blend with #1 which reduces power and mileage or use an additive. How can they say no additives to cold climates.



Some truckstops only sell #2 with anti gel additives

Check with your local refinery, the chemist will share the details... WHO CARES what Truck stops are selling... . Ask for the drop sheet and see if they even have it, It most States it required to have behind the counter sales.

 

[Powder Extreme]

Lol. What's the point in seeing the drop sheet? It will tell you it is either a #1 diesel blend or an additive of some sort has been added for winter use.

 

[Powder Extreme]

WHO CARES what Truck stops are selling.....

Uh anybody who lives in a cold climate better care what truck stops are selling. I have personally gelled up because the so called winter blend wasn't from a truck stop in Idaho.

 

[TCDiesel]

Uh anybody who lives in a cold climate better care what truck stops are selling. I have personally gelled up because the so called winter blend wasn't from a truck stop in Idaho.

Stop typing and call Your local refinery, They will clearly tell you the truth on fuel blending at retail pumps. Here's a link for MN base fuels http://www.performancefuels.com/product/

 

[Powder Extreme]

Stop typing and call Your local refinery, They will clearly tell you the truth on fuel blending at retail pumps. Here's a link for MN base fuels http://www.performancefuels.com/product/

Okaaaay, your link just proved what I was saying... . That "Gold Diesel" is "scientifically formulated and electronically blended"

I own a truck stop, believe me, I know quite a bit about fuel. I am branded Cenex. Cenex Roadmaster XL® Premium Highway Diesel Fuel contains an enhanced additive package that addresses the needs of new diesel engine technologies. The enhanced additive package now includes an improved injection stabilizer essential for modern engine technology including upcoming Tier 4 Final EPA emission standards that combats internal diesel injector deposits (IDID). Laboratory and field testing confirms the upgraded injection stabilizer successfully removes and prevents internal diesel injector deposits (IDID) - including carbonaceous, soap/metal carboxylates, and lacquer; which are of critical concern with high-pressure injection (HPI) engine technologies.

Again, like I have stated, winter fuel is either BLENDED with #1 Diesel or CONTAINS ADDITIVES. It can't be any other way. Perhaps YOU should call your local refinery chemist.

Here is a link to Cenex Roadmaster XL.
https://www.cenex.com/portal/server. pt/community/1brands___products/453/cenex_roadmasterxl

 

[DonFitzwater]

Not sure about where you boys live but here the fuel is almost always #1 and is good to -40ish. I quit running additives years ago. My last two 06's always acted up at idle when I used additive. Straight fuel has never let me down and the 2010 seems to behave the same.

 

[TCDiesel]

Okaaaay, your link just proved what I was saying... . That "Gold Diesel" is "scientifically formulated and electronically blended"

I own a truck stop, believe me, I know quite a bit about fuel. I am branded Cenex. Cenex Roadmaster XL® Premium Highway Diesel Fuel contains an enhanced additive package that addresses the needs of new diesel engine technologies. The enhanced additive package now includes an improved injection stabilizer essential for modern engine technology including upcoming Tier 4 Final EPA emission standards that combats internal diesel injector deposits (IDID). Laboratory and field testing confirms the upgraded injection stabilizer successfully removes and prevents internal diesel injector deposits (IDID) - including carbonaceous, soap/metal carboxylates, and lacquer; which are of critical concern with high-pressure injection (HPI) engine technologies.

Again, like I have stated, winter fuel is either BLENDED with #1 Diesel or CONTAINS ADDITIVES. It can't be any other way. Perhaps YOU should call your local refinery chemist.

Here is a link to Cenex Roadmaster XL.
https://www.cenex.com/portal/server. pt/community/1brands___products/453/cenex_roadmasterxl

This confirms what I have already stated... My neighbor is the chemist (1) of them at Flinthills ..... Like stated it very form STATE to STATE... the link stated its NOT necessary this was form the Refinery web-site, Some may correct My but is not CENEX a retail seller?

On a Person note: to all guest and Members I have recondition 1000s of pump Injectors over the last 30 years..... What should I know equal to the 1 owner or Keystroke Kings, It your Money, your truck, and your time, do as you wish, My bank account awaits your decision.

 

[Powder Extreme]

TC, I really don't understand what your point is. It seems you just like to argue, throw insults, and try to be a know it all.



The really silly part is we are saying the same thing, yet you still want to tell me I'm wrong.



Straight #2 diesel fuel will gel at low temperatures, but prior to that it will "cloud" or "wax" which collects and clogs in the filter. Heated filters certainly help, but when it gets cold enough it will still stop flowing through the filter.



If you are this know it all expert you claim to be, then I'm sure you will agree with the above statement because it is true. The following statements are also true.



For really low temperatures, STRAIGHT #2 diesel HAS to be blended with #1 or formulated with some form of an additive.



The link you provided to gold diesel states it is both formulated and blended. I believe that is EXACTLY what I said needed to be done. You are correct that no extra additives are needed because THEY ARE ALREADY IN THERE.



The link I provided to Roadmaster XL clearly states it has additives added. Again no need to add your own, they are already in there.



The whole point of what I am saying is to make sure the end user understands they NEED either blended fuel or fuel with additives. Straight #2 diesel will cause problems in a pickup.



There are some truck stops where you can buy straight #2 year round. I'm one of them. Truckers with newer trucks love it because they don't lose fuel mileage like they would if running a #1 blend. In their trucks they don't have a problem because they have heated filters and the fuel in the tanks is heated with a constant supply of 200 degree return fuel. Some have heated tanks as well.

They never shut their trucks off in cold weather if they did they would have problems. The exception is some who have an auxiliary Espar or similar which keeps the engine, fuel tanks, and cab warm when the motor is off.



I'm not simply a Keystoke King, and I take offense to that. I've owned a truck stop for 16 years and drove semis prior to that.



So rather than trying to be argumentative with me, why don't you realize we are saying the same thing and agree. Isn't the whole point here to help the other members who may not understand diesel fuel in cold climates? I personally help travelers and locals on an almost daily basis in the winter who aren't sure what to use in their pickups. Not one of them has ever came back with a problem. If somebody ruined their motor because of my advice, I'm certain I would have heard of it at least once in 16 years.



And this will be my last post directed towards you in this thread. I'd rather help other people than argue with and be insulted by you.



Cheers!

 

[Powder Extreme]

Not sure about where you boys live but here the fuel is almost always #1 and is good to -40ish. I quit running additives years ago. My last two 06's always acted up at idle when I used additive. Straight fuel has never let me down and the 2010 seems to behave the same.

Yup #1 won't gel up, (until ridiculous cold temps) but I'm sure you've noticed less power (maybe not with the crazy power the Cummins has) but certainly worse fuel mileage. #1 doesn't have the BTU's #2 has, hence less mileage. That's why I prefer an additive blend. The fuel mileage on these things is bad enough.

 

[JLeake]

I'll add my dated 2 cents. In North Dakota (Beulah for those who really want to know) the stations have #1 pumps and #2 pumps (at least they did when we lived there). All of the people local ran #1 from November to April, because the #2 gelled. Been there done that. Have to see what is being done now that I live in Logan Utah were it gets cold, but nothing like Beulah did, we saw -49F and -105F chill factor. All of the diesel pumps around here are single, no #1 pump that I can find.

 

[Powder Extreme]

Yup, that's very common in the northern ag communities. Most places offer straight #1, which is generally used in equipment so there are no worries of gelling up. Around Salt Lake I would venture to guess most places will be offering #2 with additives already blended in.

I do recommend making sure what you are filling up with to anyone in a cold climate.